My design for a TAPS3-VX

[ragboy]

Looks like a lot of fun testing. As someone who has spent many hours around that VX and stuff, I always wanted to see more testing done with the VX and some type of gate. The only thing is that I think you would very much want to do this with an AVX. The VX was very picky about angles. So we had to find the right angle for the VX and tested for regular and goofy, and the best angle was NOT the same for both and so had to find an angle that was the best compromise. It was this testing that we did over a couple of trips to Texas that spawned the AVX so that you could put the VX in the right angle for the situation. Using a gate instead of list I am guessing would be a significant change that would make the VX work best at an adjusted angle. Just a thought.

[Chugh2o]

Kind of off topic but does anyone know is someone has converted the convex vx to AVX with some actuators


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[JohnnieMo]

Looks like a lot of fun testing. As someone who has spent many hours around that VX and stuff, I always wanted to see more testing done with the VX and some type of gate. The only thing is that I think you would very much want to do this with an AVX. The VX was very picky about angles. So we had to find the right angle for the VX and tested for regular and goofy, and the best angle was NOT the same for both and so had to find an angle that was the best compromise. It was this testing that we did over a couple of trips to Texas that spawned the AVX so that you could put the VX in the right angle for the situation. Using a gate instead of list I am guessing would be a significant change that would make the VX work best at an adjusted angle. Just a thought.

I completely agree. This testing would truly benefit from being an AVx, but I'm stuck with what I've got. By adding your Wake9 bags and the Wake9 TAPS plate, I've found a pretty happy place on those Gen 2 brackets and it works well for both sides. I find the gate basically substitutes two very large guys on the surf side corner of the boat. The boat will not produce a clean wave without being listed though. However the Z hull doesn't need a massive list to be clean so I'm not bothered by it.

At the reunion last week I got to compare an RZX2 to my wave. I couldn't go wireless on the RZX2 and my Soulcraft, but I can do it all day on the Z1 (remember I am 280lbs). I know I sound like a homer, but the other guys there can attest. I'm not knocking the RZX2, but I think it needed more dialing.

Kind of off topic but does anyone know is someone has converted the convex vx to AVX with some actuators


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I've never heard of this being done. It would need a lot of work. The AVx isn't identical to the Vx in shape either.

[Chugh2o]

I saw that someone had an AVX for sale on here a little while ago


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[JohnnieMo]

So I've all but given up on trying to make a tab style surf accessory to go with the Vx. All my testing just seems to mellow the wave and changes its shape in a way I don't like. Since I can't add a hook or drag to the device (due to it being in the way for opposite side surfing) I just don't think it's going to work out. However the gate results are extremely promising. At this stage I won't surf without a suck gate. It still requires a list, however not as extreme of one, particularly when you are running with a small crew.

So I'm going to test a few more things... but an old idea came back to me. A couple years back I had this crazy idea about creating a canard. (http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...ghlight=canard) This was before the suck gate craze started, so it seemed infeasible. However now with the suck gate innovation, it is easier to strap things to the side of your boat. So my thought is to create a suck gate with something like this:



So rather than just limiting the suck gate to "crab walking" the boat, thus delaying convergence, I could also induce varying levels of offside lift. I have no idea if it would work, but it might. I'm adding this to my testing regimen. Perhaps even this weekend.

[bsreid]

A friend of mine just made one for his Z3 that sticks on to the rear and acts the same way Nautiques surf system does. Sticking a few inches out the side form the rear and it worked pretty good.

[JohnnieMo]

A friend of mine just made one for his Z3 that sticks on to the rear and acts the same way Nautiques surf system does. Sticking a few inches out the side form the rear and it worked pretty good.

Now it would be straight vertical, yes? In my case the canard would approach the oncoming water at an angle. So the front would be higher than the back.... if that makes sense.

[Germaine Marine]

The best system I think would be the nautique style surf system with an avx. That would be incredible if you think about it...

[JohnnieMo]

My design for a TAPS3-VX

So I got my "canard" fabricated. These suction cups just open up all kinds of options! I'll post results this week once I get to sunny (and smoky) Shuswap Lake!

[Chugh2o]

Can't see the pictures


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[Chugh2o]

Can't see the pictures


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Never mind


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[bsreid]

Have you considered a retro fit taps 3 system from Germaine? I know you're trying to do something different here and what not, but I am so impressed with taps 3. It completely blew me away, better then anything I have used before. Switching sides is so simple and it's easy. Best money I've spent on the boat so far. If I were you, I'd seriously consider it, the guys in Utah were great to deal with.

[JohnnieMo]

My design for a TAPS3-VX

When I started on this path the TAPS 3 retrofit wasn't offered. I'd totally consider it if my dealer could get it. At the time they said no.

Couple more pics for this week's test.






My theory is that conventional suck gates slow down the water on the opposite side of the boat however due to the trim of the boat they effectively also provide a downward push on the wrong corner of the boat. This is evidenced by the rooster tail you often see shooting upwards.

My thought is that this "suck ramp" will still delay convergence of the wave while applying an upward lift on the opposite side of the boat.

No idea how this will work but I'll post pics of my normal suck gate beside this one and see how it looks.

For now this is my view for the next week.

[Chugh2o]

Looks like a good design to me. Interested to see how it works out


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[JohnnieMo]

My design for a TAPS3-VX

Here are a couple graphics I cobbled together to demonstrate my theory. Here is the typical suck gate.



In this case the boat is being forced down in the opposite side corner. This is opposite to the list we typically want to generate.



Using the inclined plane my hope is you can maintain the usual suck gate advantages while also getting some list out of the deal. This should allow more offside ballast and thus a bigger wave. Right now I pretty much need to run a 100/20 rear ballast split with my suckgate.