RZX demo

[hycosurf]

So I'm in the market of a new boat and I'm shopping around all brands and not going to lie I really want it to be the RZX. It was amazing to me that 3k ballast full the wake was small and soft. With that being said I don't think the salesman knew how to get full potential out of the boat to produce a large wake board wake. Any help would be great. All I could figure was it needed piggy backs in the rear lockers to grow the wake enough to even slightly consider it.

[Surf406]

Your spot on with the piggy back setup that's what my dealer did and it was great

[Germaine Marine]

Tige missed it this year with having the right amount of ballast in the boats, in my opinion across the line. Whether it be because of the coast guard etc, its just what happened.

Taps 3 is excellent and the boats when weighted correctly are awesome. Its amazing with convex vx how little it needs to get the hull down enough to let physics take over and draw it down under speed.

500 in each corner and you are good from what I have heard with the rzx, it is roughly that in my 16z3 as well

[chpthril]

Where is there to "piggyback" another sac in a locker that already has an L shaped surf sac? Also, with other quick change type surf system, like MC Gen-3, Bu Gate, NSS, etc, the boats dont seem to want both sides weighted with the same amount of ballast you would put in one side of a listed wave. For example, if you surf a listed Z3 with 1300 on the surf side aft, you would not want a TAPS-3 with 2600 lbs of rear ballast.

I would certainly question how the boat was setup. From my experience, they've taken some setup info from an AV equipped Z3 and tried to apply if to all hulls, even those with TAPS-3. Sad to ride in a boat and see an un-serfable wave, knowing that boat is one of the best waves out there.

[007]

Hitched a ride on one within the last couple of weeks. Extra 350 in both rears. Surf wake was huge!!!

Even without the extra bags, I don't think they had it setup right...

[Germaine Marine]

Chpthil, So from your experience how much weight do they usually like if using your model above? My 15 loved 1400 aft on surf side with avx. My 16 likes 1500-1500 aft evenly weighted .... maybe even a smidge more to be honest. Im surfing mine with 3k total in the rear lockers now.... it doesent want it any other way....


I believe he was referencing the rzx. If my mind serves me correct all the ballast in that specific boat is below the floor leaving the lockers open.......

[ajbpilot]

Hi Guys,
I have a 2013 Z3 and I am considering a 2017 rzx but after reading some info on the forums I'm having a hard time with paying that much for a boat that doesn't produce an automatic great wave. i shouldn't have to "fiddle around" with extra ballast on a boat that expensive. Is everyone being too picky about the pursuit of the perfect wave or does the RZX really need that much help? With 3K of ballast it should be automatic. I use one 700lb bag on the floor now (with stock surf ballast) and we have a great time. I like my Z3 a lot but I would like to spend less time on the water messing with bags and just go have fun. I also hate having to empty my lockers to fill up my ballast and have jackets and floats laying around plus having a big bag on the floor. But what I'm reading suggests I may have to do that anyway. Another $30k and I still have all the extra hassle? I don't know. I'm going to test one (a 2016 model) but I must say I don't feel too confident. I was reading up on the g23 and it seems those boats are just fill it and go.

[Germaine Marine]

Hi Guys,
I have a 2013 Z3 and I am considering a 2017 rzx but after reading some info on the forums I'm having a hard time with paying that much for a boat that doesn't produce an automatic great wave. i shouldn't have to "fiddle around" with extra ballast on a boat that expensive. Is everyone being too picky about the pursuit of the perfect wave or does the RZX really need that much help? With 3K of ballast it should be automatic. I use one 700lb bag on the floor now (with stock surf ballast) and we have a great time. I like my Z3 a lot but I would like to spend less time on the water messing with bags and just go have fun. I also hate having to empty my lockers to fill up my ballast and have jackets and floats laying around plus having a big bag on the floor. But what I'm reading suggests I may have to do that anyway. Another $30k and I still have all the extra hassle? I don't know. I'm going to test one (a 2016 model) but I must say I don't feel too confident. I was reading up on the g23 and it seems those boats are just fill it and go.

Well here is my .02.

Taps 3 is brand new and what is limiting Tige According to them is the uscga. With that being said the boats across the line need more weight to produce a true stellar wake in my opinion. The problem with this is it's all perception, how good is good to you?

If it were me, keep your z3, outfit it with a surf system and add some lead and you will fix the problem for a lot less money.

The rzX is nice, but it needs some tweaking to make it an industry leader, but when it's dialed I've heard it's really great.

Personally, I'll rival my new z3 against any rzX with the way I have it set up. I don't think the jump has been big enough yet to make the leap to that price point. But again that's just my .02..

[JLG]

I spent a few hours on a 16 RZX with factory ballast and the 575 and have to say I was very impressed. The dealer who we tested with has years of experience and knows how to set a boat up which I think is the issue with many that come away unsatisfied. We had 5 adults in boat all under 200lbs and wave was a lot larger and cleaner then my 15 z3 and my z3 has a terrific wave.

I agree with ajbpilot that the lack of storage on a z3 is frustrating. Reason I will most likely move to an RZX. I recommend getting another test on an RZX with a dealer who knows the product they are selling. The RZX is a set it and forget it boat just like the G lineup.

[ragboy]

The boat makes a good wake stock, just not the massive, powerful beast of a wave (still with a smooth transition) that it can be weighted extra.

Remember that we have RZX Serial Number 1, it was the demo/prototype so our "plug and play" or "piggy back" system is manual. We experimented with sacs and reported/confirmed what worked great, and they created the "plug & play" system with 400 lbs on each rear locker, which works great. We normally run with 500 lbs in each locker and then I also add 200 lbs of lead wake bags into the bow, for what I think is the perfect "tweaked" setup, which we ran at the west coast open. If we have a boat load of people, we do not fill the stock system up all the way, its too much weight in the back and the wave is short.

On this day, my son was repairing our manual pump for the extra bags and accidentally left it at home. So we had nothing but the stock system and our 200 lbs (4 50 lb http://leadwake.com bags) in the bow. I removed the bow bags and put them in the absolute farthest rear corners of the boat, so only 100 lbs on each side, other than that, this boat was stock. We filmed all of the kids MyWake runs on that day, here is RJs.

[ragboy]

That is with me, and my wife and Thomas and Jesse in the boat. So I know what your thinking, my weight makes a big difference. But here is me surfing that same day, same setup. Only my wife, RJ and T & J in the boat.

If you feel like you didn't get a good demo with your dealer or whomever, that is a shame. Because the wake on this boat is the best. There are a couple of ways you can rectify that.

1. Contact me at support - at - wake9 - dot - come and show up at one of the remaining http://endlesswavetour.com events and I will make sure you get a good demo.

2. You are going to spend a lot of money, contact me and set a date and buy a plane ticket and come ride with my family. We have several other boats on our lake and we may even be able to arrange rides on several. I am confident the RZX surf wake will not leave you feeling disappointed.

I would say the stock + 200lb setup we did is not quite as good or as powerful as our Z3 with AVX fully weighted, but it is pretty close. When you add the extra weight, go to our "tweaked" setup, the wake is to my waist and its amazing even for a big guy that doesn't do much. What makes it so great, is that it has so much power, I can surf relaxed because of all of the power, and yet the transition doesn't catch my super janked up board.

[ragboy]

Here is Thomas from our camping trip a couple days ago from Whiskeytown Lake in NorCal. He was boosting, this is at 12mph, and look at that wake!

The wake is easy to find and setup, but its a first year model, the Z3 was the same on the first year, it took a bit for people to figure out the sweet spot.

I can tell you that we pulled the entire West Coast Wakesurf open with the 1 RZX weighted the same for 2 days and it was the MOST stable, consistent, and best wave we have have ever delivered in competition. And with the 575, we are religiously getting 7-8 GPH when we just wakesurf. Usually 7.4 - 7.6 GPH. That is 11k of displacement. I know at the WakeShredder event using a RI they were running 5000RPM and broke at least 1 boat. The RZX surfed with that weight for 2 days at 3500RPM and then we took it home and continue to surf with it about 2x per week. We have only changed the oil.

[chpthril]

SO the RZX has a ballast setup like the previous Surf/Pro that used hidden ballast and exposed sacs in the lockers, rather than the Surf-XL found in other tiges that now have no sub-floor ballast and an L shaped surf sac in the lockers?

[majestic]

SO the RZX has a ballast setup like the previous Surf/Pro that used hidden ballast and exposed sacs in the lockers, rather than the Surf-XL found in other tiges that now have no sub-floor ballast and an L shaped surf sac in the lockers?

Correct although there are no hard tanks, but sacs that are under the floor.

[majestic]

Here is Thomas from our camping trip a couple days ago from Whiskeytown Lake in NorCal. He was boosting, this is at 12mph, and look at that wake!

The wake is easy to find and setup, but its a first year model, the Z3 was the same on the first year, it took a bit for people to figure out the sweet spot.

I can tell you that we pulled the entire West Coast Wakesurf open with the 1 RZX weighted the same for 2 days and it was the MOST stable, consistent, and best wave we have have ever delivered in competition. And with the 575, we are religiously getting 7-8 GPH when we just wakesurf. Usually 7.4 - 7.6 GPH. That is 11k of displacement. I know at the WakeShredder event using a RI they were running 5000RPM and broke at least 1 boat. The RZX surfed with that weight for 2 days at 3500RPM and then we took it home and continue to surf with it about 2x per week. We have only changed the oil.

A couple of other notes:

The RZX had the best ballast setup we have ever had at a Tige event. Super easy set-up and never had to drain/fill, switch or top off ballast. We also did not separate regular and goofy riders. The judges switched sides and I would push left or right and make a one click taps adjustment. The wave still had as much adjustability with taps as the Z3 with AVX for keeping skim and surf riders happy.