Upgrade from 06 24ve to z3, thoughts?

[IDBoating]

what would you expect to pay for a leftover 2015 Z3?? I imagine mid 80's but I don't know I haven't priced new leftover boats often.

I honestly don't know, but there's a website (can't remember the name right now, something like "GetDealerPrices.com", hopefully someone else will chime in with it) that details dealer prices by year/make/model/accessories. I'd use that as a starting point, with any margin on top of factory invoice based upon how desperate the dealer is to get it off their lot.

Obviously, if they still have 2015's around, they don't have buyers breaking down their doors to bid on them. That's a definite buyer's market and you should remember you are negotiating from a position of strength!

If they use a flooring company to finance their inventory, the flooring company will NOT be pleased that they have 2015's sitting around. The dealer will be extremely motivated to get it out of there, often to the point of selling it at their cost (just so they can stop paying finance charges on it). I got my leftover, brand new 2009 24Ve that way, the dealer literally handed me the factory invoice and that's what I paid.

[Thegerman618]

Ohh man that RZ4 would be on my radar.....if I was looking to get rid of my 24ve.

[007]

...however its still a tige so I'd think any dealer would have to honor warranty work no matter where it was purchased....

Not true, Tige dealers have territories and part of the price of the boat helps the dealer cover some service issues and/or fixes that maybe weren't just right from the factory. You can buy out of territory, but that dealer has to work with your local dealer or you might have difficulties.

Its worth your time to see what your local dealer can do. I think you might be surprised.

[Germaine Marine]

In the event that your local dealer is a bunch of blow hards you might be forced to do what you can to feel comfortable making a such a big purchase. I have a house in another state and for me the out of territory purchase was a no brainer. The 6 1/2 hour drive for warranty stuff is challenging buy my dealer is such a bonafide bad *** that he goes above and beyond and nullifies the drive as much as he can....

Going away from a local dealer can sometimes be the best thing you could have ever done......... And I am evidence to that.

[UNSTUCK]

So if one was to move across the country they would have to pretty much consider their warranty void? That would be a deal breaker.

[Germaine Marine]

Speaking from experience I can assure you that wont happen. Dealers get upset about out of territory purchases but a quick call to Tige explaining that someone wont service your boat and you are unhappy tends to change that. Its a tactic that some dealers use to try and curb guys going 5-10-20 hours away to buy a boat and save money etc. Its shitty but I get it. However given that dealers get paid from Tige to fix issues and good might I add, you would think they would not care. Warranty work does not pay as good as the 10-20k they make on a new boat sale though....

Reality is, any dealer can fix stuff but how good of service are you going to get depends on how smooth you patch stuff up especially if you bail on one dealer for another (me) lol.

I just wont take it to my first dealer, I didnt trust them when I have them the first shot so I sure as hell wont trust them to fix my **** neither do I think they would truly go to bat for me or take care of me in a timely manner...

[Germaine Marine]

Not true, Tige dealers have territories and part of the price of the boat helps the dealer cover some service issues and/or fixes that maybe weren't just right from the factory. You can buy out of territory, but that dealer has to work with your local dealer or you might have difficulties.

Its worth your time to see what your local dealer can do. I think you might be surprised.

What?

Are you a dealer?

Dealers get paid for every item they submit that is a warranty issue to my knowledge from my dealer. So how does the purchase price affect that at all? Some boats dont have any issues... So that consumer has to pay for potential issues that he/she might not have?

Are you trying to sell that dealers mark it up because they dont get paid enough from Tige to do warranty work on claims or that Tige does not cover some issues so its a buffer. Either way both dont sound good.

Just trying to understand what you are getting at...... To be honest and please dont be offended because I am rather black and white, this sounds like similar a story I hear from dealers that are trying to curb out of territory purchases.........

I have had issues with my boat, talked to Tige direct and I know for a fact from my dealer that he is itching to fix them all. "Tige pays me to fix that stuff so bring it on, I love it" -My dealer

[Germaine Marine]

So if one was to move across the country they would have to pretty much consider their warranty void? That would be a deal breaker.

Exactly, this line that guys wont fix it is shitty. Its all business. As a consumer Im not screaming when someone is trying to make me for an extra 10k on a boat, I get it, not ecstatic about it but I get it, but in that same breath dont get your panties twisted if I go somewhere else and buy. Its all just business. As a dealer I personally wouldnt want to shoot myself in the foot for a future purchase or income from warranty claims that tige will pay for but thats just me. Apparently not the case....

[Dandy]

I think alot of this is dealer dependent. I don't believe that dealers are allowed to sell current stock out of their territory as a way to protect the dealer territory and also to allow the dealer to build a relationship with the clients in their area. All in all, I do think it's a good business practice as long as Tige can find quality, long term dealers which it seems has been a struggle for them in some areas. I do believe that they can sell non-current out of territory without issue and a good dealer at home should be happy to service it for you. In a situation where shopping out of the territory I would recommend at least visiting with your dealer and let them know what you are looking at...maybe, just maybe they will give you a great dealt to sell you the boat they will service. Check out the other boat forums, there are good dealers and poor dealers for all brands...that makes or breaks the market for several brands.

I don't recall what forum it was on, but a dealer recently chimed in about a guy that had a brand X boat and stopped by his dealership for service, since his brand X boat dealer was a huge pile. The dealer built a relationship over the past year and just sold him a brand NEW boat. Service sells, the better dealers realize this.

Hell, we are in the process of buying a used boat and I called my dealer to let him know we were looking and see if he had any clean trades they were negotiating on. I figured if he could move the trade quick, it would allow him to provide a better trade in, sell it to me at a better price since it would be a quick turn. Sadly, he had nothing but they are happy to service the used boat we purchase, because it gets me back to their dealership and the next boat may be from them.

[Germaine Marine]

I agree, I think its a good practice as long as your dealers are square, unfortunately from my experience it just isnt the case. You have guys that are trying to crack a nut each month, I get it, I own a business. The problem with that is its not a two way street people get greedy and take advantage and I can speak for multiple people who have had the issue in different areas. I was all but done in buying a boat from my local dealer when I got some bogus increases for things that shouldnt be there. Top that all off with a 10k difference in a boat that wasent nearly as equipped as the one I ended up buying and what do you have? Ill tell you, a guy with a sour taste in his mouth that would rather let his boat go out of warranty then ever have to deal with that dealer again. Its unfortunate but when you have a territory based system like that, those issues CAN NOT and I mean CAN NOT happen.

My dealer now says , keep a running tab of things to be fixed and ill have my guy meet you to do service and the warranty stuff we will take care of in the winter. Thats thinking out of the box and thats getting it done plain and simple. He does not have to do that but he does it because he knows im as loyal as can be and would never buy another boat from any other person for as long as hes in business. Im a new boat every 3-5 years and he recognizes that

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[akdoc]

Got an email back from that dealer, quotes mid 80s for the leftover z3. About what I expected. I'd think they have to go lower than that to move them though. Looks like their cost is around 70k give or take.

[IDBoating]

That's what they WANT. Doesn't mean it's what they'll TAKE. I'd call them with a firm offer and tell them it's good while you continue to shop. If you find something else, the deal's off. Then let it simmer in their hands. Don't call them back, and keep shopping. You lose nothing by offering, and they might get hungry. I got my brand new diesel truck this way... took them a month to call me back, but i walked out the door for $30K with a one ton diesel.

[sandm]

I purchased my tige in idaho as that's where I lived at the time. the dealer in Oshkosh Wi was more than willing to do any warranty work needed however I did lose the 3yr free oil/impeller changes and was told that is only at the dealer you buy from. your experience may vary but do believe that most dealers will service boats that didn't come from them if you move. now if you are in shopping and then show up with a new boat 3 months later for work, that might have some complications.
I have seen where if you buy from a different dealer and go to your local dealer for service, especially in the heat of the summer, your boat will be the end of the line to get serviced. dealers are going to take care of their loyal customers first and who blames them. so as you relish in that 10k savings and go in for your first service/warranty issue and it takes 3 weeks, don't bitch at the dealer

my experience with both tige and other brands as I shopped.. any dealer will sell any leftover to anyone. current model years, I found some dealers that would only sell locally and some that had no issues selling to out of state. this was with several brands as I was shopping a lot of boats as I ended up in the tige.

[Germaine Marine]

I purchased my tige in idaho as that's where I lived at the time. the dealer in Oshkosh Wi was more than willing to do any warranty work needed however I did lose the 3yr free oil/impeller changes and was told that is only at the dealer you buy from. your experience may vary but do believe that most dealers will service boats that didn't come from them if you move. now if you are in shopping and then show up with a new boat 3 months later for work, that might have some complications.
I have seen where if you buy from a different dealer and go to your local dealer for service, especially in the heat of the summer, your boat will be the end of the line to get serviced. dealers are going to take care of their loyal customers first and who blames them. so as you relish in that 10k savings and go in for your first service/warranty issue and it takes 3 weeks, don't bitch at the dealer

my experience with both tige and other brands as I shopped.. any dealer will sell any leftover to anyone. current model years, I found some dealers that would only sell locally and some that had no issues selling to out of state. this was with several brands as I was shopping a lot of boats as I ended up in the tige.

Who in there right mind would want a dealer with that mindset to service there boat? Whether they purchased it there or no.

As a business owner, I would let my service/work speak for itself and take it as a challenge to win someone back if they used someone else. Not "Oh hey, yeah you didnt buy here and so now I am going to make you dislike my business model even more by stringing your service out and sticking you to the back of the line.

Has not happened to me, but you can bet It would make me never return to that dealer if it did.