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    Z3 with TAPS3 Review and TAPS3 vs AVX

    So I got some good time this weekend on a brand new 2016 Z3 with TAPS3. I have refrained from giving any solid info on the Z3 with TAPS3 because of the first time we were on one. It was when they were first out as a prototype and the day and location was bad conditions and I just didn't get a good feel if it really worked well or not, and how it compared to the AVX on the Z3.

    Well I have grown to love the RZX with TAPS3 but this hull is so radically different, I didn't want to make the leap unless I was sure. I have so many emails and PMs from people wanting to know which would be better, the AVX or TAPS3 and how the TAPS3 works on the Z3.

    Well I met a brand new owner that asked us to help him setup his new Z3. We got on the boat and it was the first day out and bone stock. He had already been out most of the day and was having a bit of trouble finding the wake. So I got in and he told me which settings he was working with. That didn't make a lot of sense to me from my experience on the RZX. So I told him to try out what I would think would work, and lets go from there.

    1. Set TAPS3 to 1 (all the way down). I have found it best to just leave this all the way down on the RZX and just use TAPS2.
    2. Set TAPS2 to 3 to start and we can adjust to taste from there.
    3. Fill everything up all the way until the bags are leaking out of the vents so you are sure they are full. Check the rears to make sure nothing is bunching up, just to be safe. (all of that was good, tige has done a good job of tying up those bags in place).
    4. Adjust peeps so that we have 2 degrees of list on the clinometer toward the regular side (the first side we were trying).
    5. Set speed for 11.6.

    We got underway and the owner was helping his son and they were learning the controls still and having trouble with the speed control, so it was taking a while to get up to speed. Once he found it and we were up to speed the wake looked perfect. I looked at the owner and he wasn't paying attention, he was watching his son. So I tapped his shoulder and pointed to the wake and asked him if he had anything close to that so far. He looks, his eyes got real big and he says, "HOLY SH*T!!". It was pretty funny.

    Then I told them to switch to goofy and bam, it was good but could be a bit cleaner, so I moved peeps a bit (not much) to give us about the same 2 degrees to that side and it was GREAT.

    I am going to do a full video and the like, so I am very sorry to tease, but I will post a few screen grabs from the video.

    Before the screen grabs, a couple of points.

    1. The wake stock was great, as good or better than we had the AVX stock.
    2. Just like the AVX Stock, you had to surf with the TAPS at higher positions to get some steepness and height if you wanted. A bit more weight in the corners would help that if you desired.
    3. The Z3 with TAPS3 was super clean, and switched easier and cleaner than even the RZX. The RZX wake is massive and powerful but needs a bit more list to clean up the wake.
    4. The AVX and taps3 shine the best at 11.4-11.6. If you like slower speeds like 10.6 or 10.8, try to get used to 11.2, the wake is so much nicer at those speeds. Longer, still lots of push due to the convex v hull, and it is harder. 10.6 is like skateboarding on the carpet, and 11.6 is like skateboarding on the concrete. (roughly ;-) )
    5. I still think the AVX is a bit more adjustable and maybe you could get a bit better wake listed with the AVX. The AVX is also going to give you better fuel economy than level weighted taps3. In my experience, level weighted equivalent wakes are going to cost 25%-50% more in fuel, depending on your boat and weight. That said, the benefit of unlisted surfing and sending any rider out at any time with little to no adjustment is worth that IMHO. I would choose the TAPS3 over AVX on the Z3 if I were buying a boat today, but would not feel left out at all with the AVX. They are very close.

    Stay tuned for video and stuff.

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    http://wake9.com/

    #2
    Robert did you see a dramtic difference between starboard and port wave? The starboard wave is absolutely a monster behind our boat with a drop off when going to port...
    Germaine Marine
    "A proud dealer of Tige, Supra, Moomba and ATX performance boats"

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      #3
      very interested in this thread! Robert was this with stock ballast?

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        #4
        Stock ballast, the people you see in the boat and one fat guy.
        http://wake9.com/

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          #5
          Interested as well, my wave which I thought was pretty good doesn't look as good as that.


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            #6
            @cbath, what speed are you running at?
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              #7
              Z3 with TAPS3 Review and TAPS3 vs AVX

              We started at 10.8 and noticed it cleaned up a lot around 11.2 water temps still a bit frigid around here so after I do my 20 hour service I'm going to give some more speed a try.

              We were also only running 40% in both fronts, 100% in both rears.
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              Last edited by cbath; 05-24-2016, 02:11 AM.

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                #8
                Looks really good. Best taps 3 I've seen

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                  #9
                  Those settings are legit, ran em today. A world of difference. I'll post photos tomorrow of our wave with the extra weight.
                  Germaine Marine
                  "A proud dealer of Tige, Supra, Moomba and ATX performance boats"

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                    #10
                    @elevated Glad to hear man, post pics. I love it when I test something here and people get the same results.

                    I have sent those settings in to Tige and also recommended to make default speed 11.2 or 11.4.

                    Speed makes a HUGE difference. The sweet spot for TAPS3, AVX, on the Z3 and RZX has been 11.4-11.8 by zero off, no current.
                    http://wake9.com/

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                      #11
                      FILL UP those fronts. Those front ballast amounts that tige is using is based on a bunch of testing. If you have to take weight out of the front from stock ballast, I think something else is not right or you don't have enough weight in the back.

                      The weight up front will REALLY help with the length, shape, and the transition.
                      http://wake9.com/

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                        #12
                        The port bag being unfolded also helped ... But those settings and the extra 300lbs in lead is unreal....

                        Robert do you think that Tige will be regretting removing some of the bow weight? Seems like the system goes against traditional surf systems...
                        Germaine Marine
                        "A proud dealer of Tige, Supra, Moomba and ATX performance boats"

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                          #13
                          I'll be back out Thursday with my 15 Z3 and ill try this setup. Ill bring the go pro and get some vid. I will start with 65% front weight first to simulate full 400's up front. I'll fill my 550's full and try it that way as well. Then ill try it with simulated extra passengers in the boat with my loose 450 bag.

                          Looking forward to it.

                          All my speeds have been 10.8 too. Ill try 11.2 and up in .2 increments.

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                            #14
                            @elevated you are going to have to catch me up, I am not aware of front ballast reduction.

                            So are you saying the new 16s have only 800? If so, that kinda makes sense that it matches the stock rear. In the past, 1100 up front was too much for stock weight, so you didn't fill them up all the way. So if you are going to add weight to the back, you will need to add a bit to the front.

                            It makes sense they would do that, because if they want to raise capacity in the rear to have a better stock weight they can reduce some up front to meet their safety goals and what not. I am just guessing.

                            Also, remember that through 2014 the ballast capacity was tuned for wake boarding, NOT surfing. That is why it was heavier up front and lighter in the rear than a surfer would like. Between 2015 and 16, the system is tuned for surfing, because that is what everyone is doing.

                            That stock weight on the Z3 we were on must have had 800 up front, but the stock wake was outstanding. So if he is going to add some weight to the corners, he will need to add some up front as well. Total of 1100 on the Z3 with extra in the rear should be more than enough. I imagine there is some room there.
                            http://wake9.com/

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                              #15
                              Correct, 800s up front. Same with the RZX from what I could see and discuss with the guys at the factory...

                              So are you saying that I probably need to add weight in the front if I am running 300-500 total extra in the rear? Or is the 800 up front more then adequate even if adding a little more rear weight. I know the hulls are different but what are you doing in the big boy? It seems like the two are acting similarly in retrospect, I know you were saying you were running 500 more a corner if my mind serves me right... whats the action in the front or are you leaving it. Since our stock ballast systems are identical i am going to try and take it down the same road as you and see what happens...
                              Last edited by Germaine Marine; 05-24-2016, 07:04 AM.
                              Germaine Marine
                              "A proud dealer of Tige, Supra, Moomba and ATX performance boats"

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