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**chpthril** · 05-10-2016, 11:00 PM

There is definitely room for improvement above the the stock prop. Can you also provide:

current prop dia and pitch
3 or 4 blade
engine
v-drive ration (blue or black v-drive)

**Bakes5** · 05-10-2016, 11:53 PM

I had to reprop my 98 2200v in Colorado. Great at sea level....total dog at 8300 feet. you will lose a little top end speed but who cares if all you do is surf and wakeboard.

Call Acme props and they will set you straight.

**topaz surfer** · 05-11-2016, 03:27 AM

I have a 2003 22v and run at about 6000ft with around 2700lbs of ballast and surf 100% of the time and I run the Acme 1617. It does well for us and I have the smaller merc 350. Get Chpthril your info and he can get you dialed in. Enjoy your new boat

**duffymahoney** · 05-11-2016, 01:13 PM

If you still are having issues after getting an extreme 4 blade, talk to me about 5 blade props. I am one of the few that run it. I wouldn't run any other prop. I love it.

**UNSTUCK** · 05-11-2016, 01:22 PM

Please enlighten us on the 5 blade prop.

**duffymahoney** · 05-11-2016, 03:29 PM

Here is my whole thread on it.

http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=794023

Here is the post:
So I got a Acme 5 blade 2133- 14.00X13.50VL5B 1.125 .105 cup to test for surfing. As most of you know, I have tried all sorts of props. I have changed v-drive ratios in boats, tried new cups pitches and they never worked liked I had hoped and I hate hate hate cavitation.

Test boat. My 2005 Tige 24v. 3200 in ballast and 7 adults (I would guess 1100 pounds of people). Water wasn't super flat but not too bad.

Props tested:

1579 13.5 x 14.25 LH 1 1/8 Bore .105 CUP- 12.7 mph 3300-3400 rpms- Boat holds speed but rpms are high and it tends to cavitate with any bumps or waves. Wave is pretty clean but tends to have a slight wash every few seconds.

381 13.5 x 17.5 LH 1 1/8 Bore .105 CUP- 12.7 mph 3000-3100 rpms- Boat doesn't hold speed as well. More lead or people needs to be moved to the bow to hold speed and wake plate or taps needs to be lowered to hold speed affecting the wave. Any rough water makes holding speed worse. Wave is nice and clean.

2133- 5 blade 12.7 mph 2900-3000 rpms- Boat sounds so weird. Like a low singing roar. Gosh the best way to describe it is the boat doesn't care about the ballast. Literally could have surfed 18mph with it. It jumps to speed so fast, and the getting to speed is very smooth. It's hard to describe. Boat held speed perfectly through chop and waves. Also gas consumption was only 8 gallons in a couple hour set. So that was nice! I think 5 blades are a game changer for surf boats. Wave is nice and clean.

I did try other mphs. Same basic results but lower rpms across the board. The 381 works if you play with weight placement enough. The 5 blade didn't care were weight was and we moved weight for the best wave possible. Below are pics of the clean wave with the 5 blade and my buddy surfing.

**duffymahoney** · 05-11-2016, 03:30 PM

Quote from another tige owner.

"On a similar note, I just tested a 5 blade ACME 2245 M39 (14.50X14.50VL5B 1.125 .060) on my Tige RZR and after 2 days with it, I actually kinda like it. After going back and looking at and timing some video, this prop actually got the boat out of the hole about 2 seconds faster than the 1235 for wakeboarding with a decent amount of ballast.

For surfing, the holeshot was great as well and it seemed to hold the speed pretty well. I didn't get a chance to test it back to back against the 1235 with the same set up as I have been tweaking the weight in the boat but the prop wash seemed to be less on the 2245 and the surf wake was nice and clean"

**co99tj** · 05-11-2016, 04:15 PM

Awesome - thanks everyone for the great replies - don't know what I'd do without this forum. I need to get out to the boat in storage to find out what prop is on there now...rookie mistake - should have had that before posting. I do know it's a 4 blade though. The engine is the Marine Power 5.7L 340HP and the V-Drive is blue (what does that mean?). The boat does not have any plumbed in ballast - but there were (2) fat sacks included that I haven't even taken out yet. At least for this year (and probably next) - I will probably just run with the existing ballast setup - which I would guess is probably around 450 lbs. per side total (if both bags are full). Eventually I'd like to run more - but for now I'll have to stick with what I've got.

I read about the 1617 on a couple previous threads - and it sounds like a lot of people love this prop - but I was wondering if that's too aggressive just as an altitude adjustment since I won't be running (at least for a couple years) with more than 1000 lbs. of ballast?

As long as I can cruise around 35 MPH - I don't think top end is really going to be a major issue...so I'm not as concerned there. I do want to explore some of the higher elevation lakes across CO though (Grand Lake, Steamboat Lake, etc.) so probably the lowest I'll be is around 6000 ft. all the way up to around 8000-8500.

Thanks for all the help!

**Bakes5** · 05-12-2016, 12:25 AM

Ummmm......I wouldn't plan on "cruising" at 35 MPH. At least, not with a prop that will have any sort of hole shot. When you are talking altitude and a marginally powerful engine, you can have speed or hole shot....not both. I cruise at about 25-28MPH. I ski 3750 RPM and that puts me around 33MPH.

Really, there is nothing to explore at Grand Lake. It's a relatively small square. Still, one of my favorite places to rent a house for 5 days....Mon-Fri. Don't even think about it on a weekend. Lake Granby is much bigger and worth exploring. Both are freezing cold so a wetsuit makes the day a lot better. Have not been to steamboat. Blue Mesa has a reputation of a being a very cold washing machine. Chatfield can support about 3 boats but typically has about 150 boats on it during any given weekend....I avoid it like the plague. That said, I have driven by it several times during the shoulder seasons and early and it has been glass. It would probably be a great spring or fall lake done early in the morning.

My favorite is Lake Pueblo. It about 4800 feet and MUCH warmer. We camp out, ski/ride/foil/surf/skate early and leave before the drunken jack-asses are in full swing. Typically off the lake by 1:00-1:30. I already have 10 nights planned this summer there....going again on Friday actually.

**co99tj** · 05-12-2016, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Bakes5 View Post

Ummmm......I wouldn't plan on "cruising" at 35 MPH. At least, not with a prop that will have any sort of hole shot. When you are talking altitude and a marginally powerful engine, you can have speed or hole shot....not both. I cruise at about 25-28MPH. I ski 3750 RPM and that puts me around 33MPH.

Really, there is nothing to explore at Grand Lake. It's a relatively small square. Still, one of my favorite places to rent a house for 5 days....Mon-Fri. Don't even think about it on a weekend. Lake Granby is much bigger and worth exploring. Both are freezing cold so a wetsuit makes the day a lot better. Have not been to steamboat. Blue Mesa has a reputation of a being a very cold washing machine. Chatfield can support about 3 boats but typically has about 150 boats on it during any given weekend....I avoid it like the plague. That said, I have driven by it several times during the shoulder seasons and early and it has been glass. It would probably be a great spring or fall lake done early in the morning.

My favorite is Lake Pueblo. It about 4800 feet and MUCH warmer. We camp out, ski/ride/foil/surf/skate early and leave before the drunken jack-asses are in full swing. Typically off the lake by 1:00-1:30. I already have 10 nights planned this summer there....going again on Friday actually.

Thanks for the info. What prop are you using? Sorry - I actually meant Granby - always get those two confused. Never been to Grand Lake. Speaking of CO lakes - sounds like you have a lot of experience around the state. What do you think of places like Boyd, Carter, Jackson, etc.? I'm assuming that ALL of the public lakes are going to be crazy on weekends. I'm in North Denver Metro - so I don't want to drive 4-5 hours each way on the weekends...is there anywhere within an hour or so that is a little less crowded? Boyd is about 40 min from me...was up there talking to the guys last weekend and they said they decontaminated 600 boats last father's day...that's some serious traffic.

**Z3CO23** · 05-12-2016, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by co99tj View Post

Thanks for the info. What prop are you using? Sorry - I actually meant Granby - always get those two confused. Never been to Grand Lake. Speaking of CO lakes - sounds like you have a lot of experience around the state. What do you think of places like Boyd, Carter, Jackson, etc.? I'm assuming that ALL of the public lakes are going to be crazy on weekends. I'm in North Denver Metro - so I don't want to drive 4-5 hours each way on the weekends...is there anywhere within an hour or so that is a little less crowded? Boyd is about 40 min from me...was up there talking to the guys last weekend and they said they decontaminated 600 boats last father's day...that's some serious traffic.

Boyd is a good lake, it's on the smaller side of State Park lakes. The State Park pass covers your entrance fee.

Carter is a good lake too but entry is not covered by the State Parks pass. I believe entry fee is $7 per vehicle so $7 for truck and $7 or boat. Horsetooth in Fort Collins is the same is the same fee structure as carter. I haven't been to Carter much but we like Horsetooth.

Jackson doesn't seem to get very crowded, but it's a little bit of a drive. I have found Jackson is very buggy and the boat ramp can be flat out sketchy when it's windy there.....

Your best bet on any lake her in CO is to get on the water early.... your going to piss off the fisherman.

We get out as early as we can, surf till we are jello legged and then drop anchor and float and swim in the no wake zones or coves to avoid the crazies during the mid day.

There are private membership lakes north and east that run about $3000 a year on the low end but they don't have the best depths.....

You can buy yearly private passes to Sloans Lake (Denver) and to Standley Lake as well but they have very strict decon rules. Standley quarantines your for 21 days if you go anywhere else but there so if you buy a pass most people just boat there all summer until their big trips at the end of the season. Standley is like $850 for the year and Sloans is like $450.

Best water is weekdays at the State parks if you can get out.

We ride Friday mornings in the State Parks and it's us and about 5 fisherman.

**Bakes5** · 05-13-2016, 03:30 AM

This ^^^

midweek state parks are where it's at. Weekends are actually reasonable though if you are riding before sunrise and done with anything serious by 9:30. After that it's surfing, cliff jumping, lunch in a cove and then off the water about 1:00.

**Bakes5** · 05-13-2016, 03:31 AM

Also....shoulder seasons and a good wetsuit make the best riding/skiing

**co99tj** · 05-13-2016, 04:32 PM

This is great - thanks for all the information. I really want to get up to Horsetooth on a weekday...looks like a great lake and amazing views.

I just checked and the prop that's currently on the boat is an ACME 537 13.5" x 16. I looked on the Wakemakers prop finder tool and didn't see that prop listed for ANY Tige boats - and found a couple comments of others using it on Mastercraft Prostars...is that going to be a problem at elevation?

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