"Riders Editions"

[kko]

i really dont understand why ballast should be standard. if you want it buy it. but to suggest that every boat come with it is kinda crazy. so if someonne likes the riders graphics they have to spend $1200-$1500 extra because the boat comes with a ballast system. dont make much sense to me. again you got the skills and you need ballast by all means buy it use it and love it, but not everybody needs it. i would also agree the 220 has to be weighted to the max to compare to a stock "ve". if you owned a tige you will never be happy with a c.c 220 like going from a sports car to a cargo van. did a demo day recently. there was a cc220 there and we had a 24ve everybody and i mean every single person that tried both boats said tiges wake was better. oh yeah and they had 900lbs ballast to are 0lbs. dont even get me started on how much less fuel we used. ps. you dont want cc keyless system all ive seen from it is constant failures. the more i think about it and read your comments i think if tige put in a 2500lb ballast sys. you would still add more when will the maddddddnessss end. 3000/4000/5000lbs plz tell me i have to know! plz goto www.ballastaddicts.com for help. lol just kidding. i do agree the horn needs an upgrade!! and on a serious note i love everyones passion for there tige and the sport it is great to see.

[Ruune]

Originally posted by kko
i really dont understand why ballast should be standard. if you want it buy it.

Didnt say that every boat should be standard. If you read more carefully, I said that there should be packages available with standard ballast. Its a market positioning technique, and you're obviously not the appropriate demographic. The target consumer for this type of setup is the rider that always pushes the envelope.

As for how much ballast? Thats up for debate. 1500-2000 lbs seems to be the going setup, and this is NOT too much for a 22 or 24v/vé or Rz2.

In regards to your comment about ballast addicts, there will always be those that push the envelope. Those of us that strive for bigger, better, higher. Its a type of personality- the need to feed on an adrenaline rush. If you're content to go wake to wake over a speed bump, with your TAPS set to slalom, go right ahead- but dont knock those of us that actually advance the sport.

[kko]

yeah i read it. i understand and respect what your saying. all Im saying is if a guy wants a riders addition boat ( he likes the looks of it) but does not need or want ballast you just made him spend alot of money he didnt want to or buy a different pakage that he really didnt want in the first place. but if you leave it like it is all you hard core guys can order your riders addition with ballast. I NEVER KNOCKED ANYONE. i luv wakeboarding and respect all skills levels. sorry you took what i said out of contex. its just at some point you can only put so much water in a boat before it becomes unsafe to use or an oversized hot tub. i was just wondering what you thought the limit was. and i made a joke about it. dont get all upset when someone has a different viewpoint its bad for your health.

[Tequilasun]

Originally posted by dogbert
Too much time in them thar hills of Mooosouri....where's that banjo when you need it?

It's Misery......
Not Mooosouri!

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Tequilasun
It's Misery......
Not Mooosouri!

Ooops, my bad.

[zeda]

Runne

the CC220 is a BIG boat. with the 6 liter PCM, its got plenty of power, but you really need to weigh it down to get a good wake out of it.

I would just like to say that I rode behind the 220 with stock ballast today and have to say that the wake boarding wake is sick and the surf wake is killer without additional sacks. I am very impressed. And the ride is second to none IMO.

Don't get me wrong here, I still love Tige boats and will always enjoy riding behind one. I just like the CC 220 better.

[FIC]

You might find that it is interesting when I asked the various pro riders for Correct Craft at the boat shows what boat do you personally train behind ther answers were all the same, the 226 when I asked why not the 220 they sayed it has to much peak with little or no ramp which is hard on your body. Dom@ FIC.

[zeda]

That was not my experience with the 220. I found that it had a perfect combination of ramp and peak. I know the CC210 is a very steep wake that is harder on the landings. I actually thought the 220 had a nicer ramp and transitional landing zone than my Tige 22V. The wake on the 220 is much larger also. And the fact that the 220 throws a great surf wake with just the stock ballast is very nice. If you have not ridden behind the 220, you should give it a try and then provide comments.

[kko]

Originally posted by zeda
Runne

I would just like to say that I rode behind the 220 with stock ballast today and have to say that the wake boarding wake is sick and the surf wake is killer without additional sacks. I am very impressed. And the ride is second to none IMO.

Don't get me wrong here, I still love Tige boats and will always enjoy riding behind one. I just like the CC 220 better.

sorry have to disagree no cc rides better than a tige. for that matter no inboard ski boat rides better than a tige. one thing a tige does above and beyond any other inboard ski boat is ride an handle better hands down. yeah your cc will ride ok on glass but you put a little chop out there. that cc will beat you to death. ive been in lots of both brands and its not even close TIGE woops its A** in ride quality all day, everday,everytime with out a doubt! IMO

[zeda]

Okay, I didn't mean to start the Tige vs. CC thread on tigeowners. First off, I have owned a Tige 22V for three years and have really enjoyed Tige for the quality, ride, and wake. IMO, Tige is one of the best boats anyone can buy. It is very solid in rough water conditions, the storage is impressive, TAPS is a great feature that allows alot of flexibility with the wake, and above all, Tige as a company has proven that they really care about customers. They demonstrated that to me first hand.

My choice for the CC220 was measured against all of these factors and it all came down to personal preference. I like the styling of the CC220 better, I like the wake better, and I like the unique seating configuration on the 220. Also, the rough water handling on the 220 is just as good as my Tige, not better, but just as good.

I will continue to say positive things about Tige for as long as I live. I will never indulge in the my boat is better than your's discussion.

Peace.....long live Tige.

[talltigeguy]

zeda,

thanks for your thoughts on the 220. The seating configuration looks crampy, but I have not seen one in person.

The 226 I have ridden behind, had an acceptable wake with full stock ballast and only 2 people in the boat. Probably with more weight it would have been outstanding. It was not as good as my 24V with 350 pounds up front alone, plus I have instant control of the rampy vs. steep.

The Nautique have a nice tight feel to them, nothing rattles. The quality was excellent.

[Ruune]

Originally posted by kko
yeah i read it. i understand and respect what your saying. all Im saying is if a guy wants a riders addition boat ( he likes the looks of it) but does not need or want ballast you just made him spend alot of money he didnt want to or buy a different pakage that he really didnt want in the first place. but if you leave it like it is all you hard core guys can order your riders addition with ballast. I NEVER KNOCKED ANYONE. i luv wakeboarding and respect all skills levels. sorry you took what i said out of contex. its just at some point you can only put so much water in a boat before it becomes unsafe to use or an oversized hot tub. i was just wondering what you thought the limit was. and i made a joke about it. dont get all upset when someone has a different viewpoint its bad for your health.

well, to please this demographic Tigé could offer a similar pattern on a non-riders EDition, with some sort of designator on which "edition" the boat is based. However, calling a graphics package a "rider's edition" is simply misleading- indicating that the "edition" of the boat contains options that are geared towards riders (read: board riders).

Limits will depend on the hull design, materials, total weight of the boat, and yes- preference. For example: 4 guys and a solitary 540lb sack in the left, rear locker creates a massive surf wake on my 22v. For wakeboarding, I put that sam 540lb sack in the front- plus two 350lb sacks in the rear lockers. Sometimes another 540 in the center of the boat. It just depends.

As far as the SAN 220, it is indeed a great boat. I've ridden behind several of them, yet I still feel that the wake is sub par to the 210. However, I did notice that the transition from the flats to the base of the wake doesnt have a dip in it. So, it's quite smooth when you're coming in fast (ex: doing a raley). In actuality, I think the 220 sits higher on a trailer than my 22v, but I'm not sure about that.

[FIC]

For my family , 2 boys who our tournament skiers, and our personal ownership of a correct craft, and several years of also working on them.There is no comparison to a Tige. The ride is not even close . If you have driven in tournament try to drive a right hand turn doubleup with a correct craft , a Tige turns equally in both directions ,accellerates with less effort under loaded conditions and with have of the fuel usage.Dom@ fic.

[dogbert]

Originally posted by Ruune
well, to please this demographic Tigé could offer a similar pattern on a non-riders EDition, with some sort of designator on which "edition" the boat is based. However, calling a graphics package a "rider's edition" is simply misleading- indicating that the "edition" of the boat contains options that are geared towards riders (read: board riders).

Limits will depend on the hull design, materials, total weight of the boat, and yes- preference. For example: 4 guys and a solitary 540lb sack in the left, rear locker creates a massive surf wake on my 22v. For wakeboarding, I put that sam 540lb sack in the front- plus two 350lb sacks in the rear lockers. Sometimes another 540 in the center of the boat. It just depends.

As far as the SAN 220, it is indeed a great boat. I've ridden behind several of them, yet I still feel that the wake is sub par to the 210. However, I did notice that the transition from the flats to the base of the wake doesnt have a dip in it. So, it's quite smooth when you're coming in fast (ex: doing a raley). In actuality, I think the 220 sits higher on a trailer than my 22v, but I'm not sure about that.

It's like the "Gravity Games' edition of the Supra Launch 24 SSV. It's got all the options for those who ride a lot, including extra rear-facing seats so more passengers can watch without being uncomfortable. Then there's the Roswell Tower with the drop-down bimini rack and super robust swivel wakeboard racks. It also has the ballast standard.

The SAN 220 team edition also has the nifty movable rear bench that you can set up so it's rear facing. The rest of its layout really sucks, but that was one nice feature.

These would be the kind of options I would expect in a Rider's Edition.