Help with 2006 22ve purchase.

[aquaking]

Newbie here. Looking to buy a 2006 22ve with Tige Speed Set. Have seen the bad reviews and problems with this speed control system. We surf exclusively. If the speed control is working, are the adjustment increments small enough to be effective at surf speeds?

Also, I have driven surf boats for years with no speed control system, using mainly tachometer and view of wake in the mirror to maintain a consistent wave. Boats I have driven held speed well and the speed control system was not really needed. Does anyone know if this 2006 22ve would hold speed well while throttle driven (not using speed control)? Thanks

[25cents]

I am not familiar with Speed set because mine had Perfect Pass installed. So i cant speak to that aspect, but the speed will hold fairly well without me using the perfect pass. The other option is to buy perfect pass direct and install it yourself. I am looking to install the GPS version this off-season and it seems pretty easy. I have the 24ve for that same year and so the setup is the same and I think you would be really happy with that boat

[aquaking]

I am not familiar with Speed set because mine had Perfect Pass installed. So i cant speak to that aspect, but the speed will hold fairly well without me using the perfect pass. The other option is to buy perfect pass direct and install it yourself. I am looking to install the GPS version this off-season and it seems pretty easy. I have the 24ve for that same year and so the setup is the same and I think you would be really happy with that boat

Thanks for the response. I've been told that Perfect Pass will not work with my throttle and engine set up, so I think that option is out. Some 06 boats got Tige speed set and some got perfect pass. You were lucky to get the perfect pass. Is your throttle by cable or by "wire"? I am glad to hear that you have luck holding speed without PP. I'm happy to throttle drive the boat if it holds speed well and is not too jumpy. Then, getting the speed control to work properly is just a bonus instead of a necessity.

[aquaking]

Any other 06 22ve owners out there with thoughts/advice on surfing this boat with or without the Tige Speed Set working? Thanks.

[WYTige?]

There is a thread on here about a guy who totally reworked the Accuset, I couldn't find it off hand. You might search it, I believe his handle is Dakota4ace. He did some really nice work and documented it all. I lucked out, my 06 had Perfect Pass

[dakota4ce]

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...ete&highlight=

Here is my thread. I completely ditched the AccuSet system and reverted the throttle back to a cable-back-to-engine setup. That way I was able to purchase and install a universal speed control like Perfect Pass (I chose the Hydrophase Ridesteady. It is A BEAUTIFUL SYSTEM). All told, I have $1600 or so in the conversion. Its super easy to use, potentially more resistant to quirks, and works better with more adjustability.

Let it be known though, I only did this because my original AccuSet did not work at all. Previous owner "forgot" to mention. In the end that's ok, because it kept be busy and is now an easily superior setup.

[talltigeguy]

I am not familiar with Speed set because mine had Perfect Pass installed. So i cant speak to that aspect, but the speed will hold fairly well without me using the perfect pass. The other option is to buy perfect pass direct and install it yourself. I am looking to install the GPS version this off-season and it seems pretty easy. I have the 24ve for that same year and so the setup is the same and I think you would be really happy with that boat

Aquaking, as you have read, this is exactly the thing you cannot do. The ECM will not work with Perfect Pass in 2006 Tige boats with Marine Power engines. However, a few of them have PCM engines. In fact, Taylor's boats in Salt Lake City ordered mostly PCM engines, so that may be why 25cents made that comment. So it does depend on the engine, but nationally, I would bet that 90+% of the 2006 Tiges have MP engines.

[Carter13]

We had an 06 22V with Speed Set and it was a nightmare to deal with. Steer clear of any Speed Set Tige IMO.

[dakota4ce]

Aquaking, as you have read, this is exactly the thing you cannot do. The ECM will not work with Perfect Pass in 2006 Tige boats with Marine Power engines. However, a few of them have PCM engines. In fact, Taylor's boats in Salt Lake City ordered mostly PCM engines, so that may be why 25cents made that comment. So it does depend on the engine, but nationally, I would bet that 90+% of the 2006 Tiges have MP engines.

It is not an ECM issue per se, just for sake of explanation. It is a mechanical problem--Tige/MP decided to mount the electronic potentiometer onto the helm control in a wonky special device. If you remove that throttle controller, put a generic control in, then run a mechanical cable back to the engine compartment to control a potentiometer you put back there, then PP will work perfectly. In fact, if I am not mistaken, that is exactly how the PCM equipped Tiges with PP are set up. And all parts are available. The only thing you have to do is clip some wires and solder some back together. Which wasn't difficult.

However, if you are not handy in the least, I probably would steer clear. BUT, it works perfectly and is not a departure from proven systems. It is a copy of the PCM system rigged to work on the MP.

Heck, if I did it, it can't be THAT hard. But, if you want a turn key solution, then perhaps look for a boat of some sort that has PP already.

Furthermore, I can't imagine a day of surfing without a robust speed control system. I drive, my wife drives, my friends drive--all because driving is a no brainer. Push the throttle up slowly and don't turn away from the surfer or hit other boats. Easy.

[Dan and Christy]

We have an 06 with PP and it is finicky so we don't use it most of the time. I have, as I would assume you do, basic use of my fine motor skills and can operate the throttle. This operation of the throttle allows minute speed adjustments to obtain the optimal wave. Many people, many on this forum in fact, have completely black or white opinions when it comes to PP vs Accuset. This boat holds speed great and you can feather the throttle to mold the wake depending on water conditions, weight configuration, occupant location, etc, with OR without speed control.

[Wakeman22]

So I have to step in and hope I do not jenks myself by saying this...

I have the 2007 with the MPI engine and speed set. I have never had a problem and hope I never do. Mine runs out perfect. I have 850 hours on the boat at this time. The speed set works perfect. It is accurate, easy to use and I would not ever want to be without it. It adjusts in .2mph increments and can be set for even or odd numbers. After you use a speed control of some sort you will find it to be an invaluable devise. I too could play the throttle and get the correct speed. However when the water is rough and the wind is blowing it is a no brainer to have a speed control. If you have others drive then it makes it so easy for them. Imagine if you were riding behind the boat and having to continually tell the driver to speed up, slow down how frustrating that would be for the both of you. Believe me when I say it has saved a lot of marriages. Now if we could load the boat without including the wife life would be good.

[little_criket]

Well, I have a 2006 22Ve... The speed set works ok. Not the most user friendly, but works... I worry more about when it fails due the difficulty to repair... As for driving without speedset, the boat does hold speed pretty good... It's a good boat, just go in with eyes open. Good luck.

[dakota4ce]

So I have to step in and hope I do not jenks myself by saying this...

I have the 2007 with the MPI engine and speed set. I have never had a problem and hope I never do. Mine runs out perfect. I have 850 hours on the boat at this time. The speed set works perfect. It is accurate, easy to use and I would not ever want to be without it. It adjusts in .2mph increments and can be set for even or odd numbers. After you use a speed control of some sort you will find it to be an invaluable devise. I too could play the throttle and get the correct speed. However when the water is rough and the wind is blowing it is a no brainer to have a speed control. If you have others drive then it makes it so easy for them. Imagine if you were riding behind the boat and having to continually tell the driver to speed up, slow down how frustrating that would be for the both of you. Believe me when I say it has saved a lot of marriages. Now if we could load the boat without including the wife life would be good.

I think your 2007 went to MEFI 5, so is inherently better than the 2006 AccuSet specifically. Not exactly sure why (I think they took a 2 computer system and made it one). Anyway, I think most people are happy with 2007, whereas most people hate their 2006 version.

I think thats the scoop, anyway, if my foggy memory serves me somewhat correctly.

And BIG TIME x2 on your assertion that speed control is great. I actually love that I don't have to drive all the time. Lets me hang out and watch the action for a change. If you come surfing with me, you don't necessarily need to pay me for gas, just be willing to drive some of the time!

[aquaking]

Thanks to all who responded thus far. Your info has confirmed what I was thinking about the Speed Set on the boat we are looking to purchase. It is good to get some owner feedback on how well the boat holds speed when hand driven. Since I am accustomed to doing this on other boats, I am now more confident I will be able to hand drive the Tige as well. We have not been able to test drive it yet due to logistics, but hope to in the next few days. The boat has low hours and is priced well. Biggest concern is the Speed Set.

I know the paddlewheel is broken on the boat we are looking at and I know it is expensive. Has anyone tried the Nautic Laugic GPS sender to replace just the paddlewheel portion of the 06 Speed Set system?

[chpthril]

If the actual paddle wheel is broken, they are replaceable and cheap for just a paddle wheel kit, dont get the whole triducer sensor.

Yes, if the wheel is broke and the speedo is not working, the speed-set will also not work. I would address a not working speedo first.