Game Changer

[talltigeguy]

The thing I like the very least about my G23 is the spray. It is the wettest ride I have ever been on, even in smaller boats. With a bit of a breeze, the surfing can be downright unfun for folks in the boat, even though our water here is 78 degrees. In the spring, when the water was cold, it just plain sucked when the wind was on. It is not a problem when the winds are calm. And it is very difficult to take water directly over the bow. That water spray is something that will make me shop around again when I look for another boat. Based on what is out there right now, I would still have bought the G23, but I think in a year or two, evaluation of the competition will be in order.

[SBM1234]

I think its fair to say that most brands have gotten uglier as time has passed LOL. I think the interiors have gotten much nicer though.

[SBM1234]

I would still have bought the G23

Do you mostly surf? We are on a river that is only about 5 - 12' deep so we tend to wakeboard 95% of the time.

[dom w. forte]

The main reason for the changes to the front of the G hull was to divert water. The "original" G boats have a fairly wet ride, especially at Surf speeds if there is a cross wind. The water just comes straight up on the sides and the wind blows the spray over. The new hull is supposed to channel it down.

From what I understand, the hull changes are only to the G23 & G25 at this time. The 2016 G21 hull is remaining the same - I would guess a 2017 change on the G21.

I know that the G took a long time to develop and with no disrespect to the Tige team, things are easier to develop when there is an example already set. If it took Tige 2 years, that means they started development after the G was released and it is no secret that the ASR hull is very similar to that of the G boats, again it is easy to develop something that is similar if not copied which already exists in the market. That said, Tige really did implement some unique and nice features in the deck of the ASR.

The release of the #gamechanger was defiantly a let down, I believe not only for Nautique fans, but the industry as a whole. The only thing I liked was the new interface. They switched to a touch screen - which I don't believe belongs in boats - but then added an "Infiniti" Auto Style control, so you do not need to use the Touch. This style control is very intuitive in auto and should be as well in marine. I do believe this style control has been used in some of the larger cruisers for a while. Aside from that, I don't think there was anything that would cause current G owners to jump into a 2016 in a hurry.

Tige does alot of innovation that they may not get proper recognition for and may very well have the best surf wave producing boats out there. I believe that if Tige would just step up there marketing a little, quality control/consistence quite a bit and spend the time to build relationships with dealerships that will back their product with service, they would quickly get the recognition they deserve. I would say that MB is a great example - we don't have them in our area - but in the past few years their reputation has grown significantly and it seems that Supreme is working in the same direction.

I have dealt with the CC bashing of Tiges hull design at boat shows for 11 years, about how the trim plate was a crutch for a bad design, as to the G series I can agree that the deck is very simular to the G, but the hull is a direct copy of Tiges convex v with trim plate not even questionable , at the first show I was at with the new G23 I said to there factory Rep, what you have a bad hull design thats why you have to add the trim plate , he just smiled!

[loudelectronics]

The G hull also copies the tige Convex V. It has the delta pad that all our boats have. I do not know why tige foes not sue them and other brands for using there patent.

[Dandy]

Dom - it seems that everytime I post something about a G boat, you begin to take offense. I by no means mean any ill intent towards Tige. I was simply stating that it is easy to be quick to design something that is essentially a copy or just slightly different than something that already exists. I work for an OEM and often see within our small industry something new to come out and it doesn't take long for a competitor to make something very similar. Being an innovator takes time. I don't feel that I am a CC guy bashing Tige, I have clearly stated that "Tige does alot of innovation that they may not get proper recognition for and may very well have the best surf wave producing boats out there". I don't see complementing Tige as one of the best surf wave creators to be a bash...if so, it seems an odd way to be offended.

[talltigeguy]

The G hull also copies the tige Convex V. It has the delta pad that all our boats have. I do not know why tige foes not sue them and other brands for using there patent.

Although there may be similarities, there are also differences. I have yet to be on a Tige that can go more than 26 MPH and not start to porpoise unless the TAPS plate is put down some. Smooth glass might be the exception, but it is the nature of the convex hull to porpoise at higher speeds. My G23 does not do that, so something is different. So the G does not 'need' the trim tab, which is different than Tige.

[91Terminator]

Although there may be similarities, there are also differences. I have yet to be on a Tige that can go more than 26 MPH and not start to porpoise unless the TAPS plate is put down some. Smooth glass might be the exception, but it is the nature of the convex hull to porpoise at higher speeds. My G23 does not do that, so something is different. So the G does not 'need' the trim tab, which is different than Tige.

Are you sure your CC plate does not auto adjust at certain speeds I believe I remember when it first hit the market the NCRS or whatever the BS is called is auto to make the boat handle right in turns and everything. Also all 2015 Tiges have the same software that moves the taps to 1 if over a certain speed.

[talltigeguy]

Are you sure your CC plate does not auto adjust at certain speeds I believe I remember when it first hit the market the NCRS or whatever the BS is called is auto to make the boat handle right in turns and everything. Also all 2015 Tiges have the same software that moves the taps to 1 if over a certain speed.

There is an 'auto on' feature that puts the tab down to help plane out easier. Once the boat is on plane, the feature actually retracts the tab. My boat struggled to get on plane without it, with full ballast and the 450 motor. Once above about 18 MPH, it was not a problem, but it was taking too long to get from 15-18 MPH. The tab down makes a big difference.

The wakeboard wake is more flat if you control it manually and just leave it down. So it functions very much like TAPS if you use it manually.

That is a nice feature on the new Tiges and will save a few threads on here with people who cannot figure out why their boat bobs up and down at higher speeds. Can you shut it off if you wanted to?

[loudelectronics]

Tall, when your boat is on the trailer you can see how it is different. 3/4 of the hull is a big spoon to create downforce and then transfers to the Convex v to the nuts plate. However next to the Convex V it almost hooks like a traditional ski hull. Not actual hook but from the back of the spoon it kicks downward. The ASR does not do this. The ASR is more like traditional Convex tige hulls so it will porpoise with out the taps in correct position. So essentially both using coanda but Nautique has engineered porpoise get out where tige utilizes it completely and uses Taps to control it. Both work, both make great wakes just the asr feels lighter and turns flatter on the water. Very unique feeling.

[91Terminator]

There is an 'auto on' feature that puts the tab down to help plane out easier. Once the boat is on plane, the feature actually retracts the tab. My boat struggled to get on plane without it, with full ballast and the 450 motor. Once above about 18 MPH, it was not a problem, but it was taking too long to get from 15-18 MPH. The tab down makes a big difference.

The wakeboard wake is more flat if you control it manually and just leave it down. So it functions very much like TAPS if you use it manually.

That is a nice feature on the new Tiges and will save a few threads on here with people who cannot figure out why their boat bobs up and down at higher speeds. Can you shut it off if you wanted to?

Yes the Tiges all have this same feature or software. Auto Taps if you have the taps at 5 it stays at 1 until the boat is planed or at wakeboard speed then it goes to 5. but also once you start going past 27 or so it will auto move to 1 you can turn auto taps off and override this feature. I am sure that is the same with the g23. I bet if you ran the plate up all the way and went too fast it would porpoise.

[dom w. forte]

Dom - it seems that everytime I post something about a G boat, you begin to take offense. I by no means mean any ill intent towards Tige. I was simply stating that it is easy to be quick to design something that is essentially a copy or just slightly different than something that already exists. I work for an OEM and often see within our small industry something new to come out and it doesn't take long for a competitor to make something very similar. Being an innovator takes time. I don't feel that I am a CC guy bashing Tige, I have clearly stated that "Tige does alot of innovation that they may not get proper recognition for and may very well have the best surf wave producing boats out there". I don't see complementing Tige as one of the best surf wave creators to be a bash...if so, it seems an odd way to be offended.

Sorry I didnt mean that you were picking on Tige , I was reffering that over the years Ive had comments at the shows that CC always acts like they were the innovators and the first at almost everything to do with watersports, when in fact they were more on the copying side, they deserve credit for the tower but thats about it.