Wake9 AVX Experiment: The Skinny Test

[ragboy]

Faster than the previous gen ballast puppy, and or the johnson revisable, not the aerator style pumps.

[chpthril]

Faster than the previous gen ballast puppy, and or the johnson revisable, not the aerator style pumps.

Tige has never used a ballast puppy, but it has not changed in years. The Johnson is rated @ 720 GPH, so technically faster then the Jabsco. Seems to be a lot of misleading info coming out right now, like ALL Tige boats should not be listed more than 7*.

[ragboy]

Yes, that is why I used the johnson for the crossover, it is a bit faster. But these pumps are significantly faster than the johnsons. I am running 2, in place or 3, and getting faster times than I did with 3.

Are you inferring that I am giving misleading information? And I don't recall ever saying "all tige boats", I only have made notes on our experience with our Z3.

[mnpracing]

Ragboy, I didn't mean to imply transfers or side to side. Was only wondering if that could/would help shape the wave on whatever side you are on.

[ragboy]

@mpn got it. I am not sure, I don't think so since I don't think the opposite side is really engaged too much. I know some experiments were done. ;-)

[chpthril]

Jabsco only produces 1 reversible ballast pump, to my knowledge, and its not faster than the Johnson. Now, if Jabsco has given Tige a pump thats not yet a production pump, then ok, thats great, I have no specs on it. Its size and current draw would be significant greater then the current Puppy pump. I guess ill saa what I can get from Jabsco, info wise.

Not you at all, buy dealers are saying that all Tige boats dont need more than factory ballast and dont need to be listed more than 7". This is a flashback to the early 2k's, so gonna be lots of upset owners out there with poorly setup boats.

[ragboy]

I am referring to something not yet released that I am testing. There is no info on it generally available. So far it rocks, and it does draw more, but it doesn't seem to be an issue, but I have a lot more testing to do.

I would say that at least with the Z3, they don't need more than Surf XL, that is excellent as is. If the other boats with Surf XL are similar, I would say the same thing. Our experience is 6-8 degrees, and in some situations it hits 9 on goofy, but we used to hit 12 at times on goofy on the red Z3.

I had a 2007 24Ve and the dealer told me it didn't need ballast at all, so yes, I remember that.

I can't speak to that, but I can tell you that I work very hard to keep our information as accurate as possible and give the details to verify and reproduce.

[Z3CO23]

Jabsco only produces 1 reversible ballast pump, to my knowledge, and its not faster than the Johnson. Now, if Jabsco has given Tige a pump thats not yet a production pump, then ok, thats great, I have no specs on it. Its size and current draw would be significant greater then the current Puppy pump. I guess ill saa what I can get from Jabsco, info wise.

Not you at all, buy dealers are saying that all Tige boats dont need more than factory ballast and dont need to be listed more than 7". This is a flashback to the early 2k's, so gonna be lots of upset owners out there with poorly setup boats.

Have to agree with you on factory weight not being enough. 900 lbs for rz2 surf xl definitely isn't enough. We all know the 600 in the corner of the rzr isn't enough. I can't say that this isn't true of other manufacturers also. Everyone's going with weight over factory.

[ragboy]

@RZR the only thing that is tough about that, is that when I say Z3 with Surf XL is great, I am comparing to what I would expect from a weighted 22-23 foot boat. Most people in an RZR that I know that surf, expect the RZR to put out a wakesurf wave comparible to and RZ2 or Z3 or 226, and the RZR can do that, but it needs more weight than I think a manufacturer can feel comfortable putting in.

Its all about preference and expectations. For me, I prefer to say, here is the RZR with Surf XL with several riders and several angles and this is how it felt. You decide if that is good enough for you.

EDIT: RZR can create a wake comparible in size to those bigger boats, but the transition is still better with an RZ2 or Z3 in my experience. Haven't tested much with AVX though.

[chpthril]

I am referring to something not yet released that I am testing.

So something not on a 2015 production boat and not yet out for purchase. Cant wait to hear more about what your 2015 has that others dont.

[Z3CO23]

@RZR the only thing that is tough about that, is that when I say Z3 with Surf XL is great, I am comparing to what I would expect from a weighted 22-23 foot boat. Most people in an RZR that I know that surf, expect the RZR to put out a wakesurf wave comparible to and RZ2 or Z3 or 226, and the RZR can do that, but it needs more weight than I think a manufacturer can feel comfortable putting in.

Its all about preference and expectations. For me, I prefer to say, here is the RZR with Surf XL with several riders and several angles and this is how it felt. You decide if that is good enough for you.

EDIT: RZR can create a wake comparible in size to those bigger boats, but the transition is still better with an RZ2 or Z3 in my experience. Haven't tested much with AVX though.

I read somewhere that Dom loves the RZR with the AVX. If you ever get some video of it please share. It will help convince the wife we need a new boat ;-) I think my rzr throws a good wave with the w004's which puts me at approx 1000 in the corner. Would love the AVX for lengh.

[ragboy]

@chp Yes, that is correct. This doesn't effect the wake in any way, just our ability to go from side to side faster. We are working on some sensors, but other than bigger bags with some special properties you can't find in flyhigh sacs, these cross pumps, and the sensors, there is nothing different.

[ragboy]

@RZR yes, the RZR is better with it, we tested with a special stationary VX and it helped the transition, which was the problem I think it had without the VX. I am looking forward to getting some time with the other boats with AVX.

[cday76]

Ragboy, we are seriously considering upgrading to a Z3 from our RZR. I think this video has made up my mind. My question is; what elevation are you normally operating at? I would like to go with the 400, but my dealer says it won't be enough at 3500 feet. He is trying to talk me into the 440. Not sure if he's just trying to up sell me or not. I have a feeling the fuel consumption will be a lot more with the 440.

I agree with ragboy about you being fine with a 400 at 3500 MSL. I had a PCM 343 in a RZ2 and it had a hard time getting up to 11.8 with 2600 lbs of ballast. The engine just didn't have enough balls to do the job. Now that I have a 2015 Z3 with a 400 I run close to 3200 lbs of ballast and it just keeps chugging along. I can keep going past 12 mph and go faster than I should with that much ballast and the engine never shows any signs of weakness. The 15" 12 pitch prop also helps to keep the boat going. My guess is the dealer is being cautious and there hasn't been much time for them to see what the new boats are capable of. I normally run at 492 MSL and 630 MSL.

You should't have a problem anyway since I saw a recent post from you asking about Lake Travis. Just get on down here to Texas! The drought just ended bringing Lake Travis up 30' in less than a month and we surf all year down here!

[tonka8ty]

Have you ever had to much power. My last boat did not have enough so I ordered the 440 this time. I also use my boat at 7000 feet it is 3% every 1000 feet you lose in hp. Just my two cents