Tige Z1 with AVX Outperforms the Competition at Southern Surfest, May 2-3

[talltigeguy]

I understood that the speed was chosen by the driver, and not all boats went the same speed. In fact, that sounds just plain ridiculous. That was made very clear in the length of wave measurements, they did not go the same speed as one another, just the same speed they went when surfing:

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New for 2015 we measured the length of all of the boat waves at Southern Surfest. We were very surprised how varied the results were. Thank you to Shawn Wright of Brigade Wakesurfing for being the official measurement person! To qualify the results, they were taken on the same lake, in the same area, same group of people and using the same method during each round. Both the regular and goofy sides were measured and if the boat had a wake adjusting system we measured the mellow setting and the steep settings. We also had the driver keep the same speed setting when the surfers were out on the water so they couldn't manipulate the results (many wanted to speed up!!). From this we took the longest wave measured. Only one boat had a a large variation so we are noting it on our results (and the MasterCraft X20 was not measured due to schedule goof up).
1. 2015 Nautique G23: 23' 8"
2. 2015 Supreme S226: 23' 4"
3. 2015 Centurion FS33: 21' 4"
4. 2015 Axis A24: 20' 6"
5. 2015 MasterCraft X23 Goofy Side: 19' 8"
6. 2015 Supra SE550: 18' 1"
7. 2015 Malibu 23 LSV: 17' 8"
8. 2015 Moomba Mojo (w auto flow): 17' 3"
8. 2015 Tige Z1 (w AVX): 17' 3"
9. 2015 MasterCraft X23 Regular Side: 16' 8" [End quote]

[chpthril]

I understood that the speed was chosen by the driver, and not all boats went the same speed. In fact, that sounds just plain ridiculous.

Well that was my thoughts and I wasnt the only one that understood that to be the case, so thats why I directly asked Scott over in the planet naughty thread. Maybe im just misunderstanding when the same speed scoring was done.

Now, if the wave length measurement was factored into the overall score, and all boats had to travel the same speed for that, then its still fubar'd.

[Z3CO23]

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/...thern-surfest/

I browse their forum quite a bit, there's some good info and some good guys over there. They HATE them some Tige though... well..... anything that lists for that fact. The thread is a long read. I don't comment much and refuse to stir up arguments over there.

[Stingreye]

The part that jumped out he most for me was the 3 foot difference between the Axis A24 and the Bu 23 LSV. Just seemed surprising there would be that big of a difference with the edge to the axis given the similar technology being used (even though its a longer hull). Would be interesting what the actual speed of each boat were tested.

[loudelectronics]

I would like to see how these rankings were collected and apparatus for the experiment of wake measuring. This data creates more questions than answers. How does a boat rank in top 3 have shortest and most inconsistent wake? What were the speeds, ballast and config of each test for measuring. Roost starts at varying length behind each boat so the actual length of wave can be different. Some waves may be long but the actual usability of the wake is very limited to small section.

On the Tige you can use the wake from the curl all the way to swim platform if you want to get that close. I have yet to see a boat on our lake that can throw a wake as big, clean and useable as a tige. Our 24V was amazing and still my favorite wake of all time, the Rz2 we use regularly is amazing and our Z3 cant be beat either. The ASR we had for a weekend last year made the biggest surf wake I have ever seen with ocean wave like characteristics and push way out into the flats. Snapbacks were even possible.

I would really like to someone to show me a better surf wake than a tige as I have yet to see it.

[talltigeguy]

As far as Tige goes, I think the length is not nearly as big of a deal as the rider rankings. Certainly those are totally objective, but they still exist, and IIRC there was something like 80 riders, so not just a few Nautique fanboys. I suspect that the rider rankings were influenced by petty things like what beverage the driver may have offered, but probably also were influenced by how a group of riders felt after being in a relatively massive boat, and then squeezing into a Z1. Although the Z1 might be plenty roomy for a 21 foot boat, It is not more roomy than those other boats tested. In fact, it is the smallest of the bunch. I am not sure how many riders were in each group, but I bet between driver and spectators, and a gazillion boards, the Z1 just felt uncomfortably small, and influenced the global experience.

Another thought on the wave length is that it really isn't all that critical. I like me a long wave, so I can recover from way back. But 17 feet away is still a long ways from the boat, and any decent surfer can set up their trick in that pocket all day long. So I don't think that means that the 17 foot long wave is a POC, in fact, depending on push and shape, it could still be one of the best.

Hopefully Tige will learn something from this, and bring a Z3 next year. Between the Wakeworld cronies and reviews like this one, there will be some buyers that aren't going to show up at the dealership to find out for themselves.

[Greeko]

After being present at an event like this I tend to agree with TallTigeguy. It seemed like there was more than just the wave that would cause the boat to rank differently. I did attend a heavy Tige sponsored event put on by Wake9...so There would be good representation from the Tige... Each rep set up their boat they way they wanted to..The only boat that was bone stock was the Centurion FS33 and it threw a STomper!!!!

Its hard to Standardize the tests..because each boat performs differently at different speeds, rider styles.... Very hard to quanitify a boat IMO... I think if you love the boat after an experience like this...buy it...I did!

[Jimmyjim]

Has anyone compared a 2015 Z1 wave to a 2015 Z3 wave?

Seems like the 21' boat did ok all things considered.