HELP Needed: 2007-2009 RZ2 OR 2010 24VE

[Ewok]

The 2009 RZ2/4 also had the slightly smaller swim platforms that don't cut into the surf wake as much as the 07-08 models did. My platform does hit a wake a little but like has been said, nothing a horse mat surf flap can't fix. Mine is still pretty nice though and easy to weight. Some complain that it's too weight sensitive side to side but that makes it easier to dial in the wave.

And if people love their RZ2 as much as I do, it's shouldn't be hard to find one in pristine condition, it just might be tough to find one in pristine condition for sale.

[AspiringTigeOwner]

Thanks to everyone for the advice and feedback so quickly! Unfortunately, while figuring out the details I also figured out that my marina cannot support a full 24' boat with dry dock (in/out service) storage during the summer. Since I keep the boat at the lake, not on the trailer or in the water I want to make sure I can still use the service. The benefit of that deal falling through is that it will allow me some time to figure out a very specific year/model I'd like.

For all boats: I want to make sure that I get the Alpha Z tower if at all possible. In addition I really need to keep the capacity above 12 people, ideally at least 14 people. Anything else that is a "must have" option?

Regarding VE boats:
- It seems like I could potentially find a 22ve' for a reasonable deal with lower hours that an RZ2. In general, do people find that the 22ve competitive with the RZ2 for surfing?

Regarding RZ2:
- I'm leaning more and more this directly. Feedback on surfing is very positive. The only negative is that they're pretty pricey, and the 2009/2010 with the Alpha Z and no Tige'Touch seem very rare, thus driving the price up even higher. I'm really concerned that a 2007/2008 won't feel like a "new" boat because the tower will be an old style (the wife needs to be happy with the "newness" of this monster purchase as well). Also, should I be concerned with the swim platform on pre-2008 models interfering with the surf wave? Any feedback on reasonable

Regarding newer models - Z1:
- I like the idea of the newer Z1 because they'll seat 14, making them competitive with the RZ2, but at a foot shorter it's a more manageable size. Has anyone surfed or have video/pictures of a Z1 with Convex VX? If no, any idea of how much it improved the surf wave on the 2013/2014 boats? My impression is that it would get you to approximately the size of the Z3 but with a shorter length. Obviously the Z3 is the benchmark. I think I could stomach a bit more money if I could get a newer boat, even it if had quite a few hours for something in only 2 seasons.

Regarding ConvexVX in General:
- Should I be targeting a boat that had this as a factory option or a retrofit?

Thanks to everyone for the support!

[AspiringTigeOwner]

The 2009 RZ2/4 also had the slightly smaller swim platforms that don't cut into the surf wake as much as the 07-08 models did. My platform does hit a wake a little but like has been said, nothing a horse mat surf flap can't fix. Mine is still pretty nice though and easy to weight. Some complain that it's too weight sensitive side to side but that makes it easier to dial in the wave.

And if people love their RZ2 as much as I do, it's shouldn't be hard to find one in pristine condition, it just might be tough to find one in pristine condition for sale.

Sorry - Looks like a few of my questions were answered already!

@Ewok - did you ever consider adding the Convex VX?

[D&P Powell]

EWOK - How did you mount the flag on the back of the boat? Is there a slot for it, or did you rig something? Not sure where to put mine on the new boat.

[AspiringTigeOwner]

2009 22ve here, also I love this boat and think of it as a sweet spot boat year for Tige. The Ve has the same running surface as the RZ2 and these boats SURF!

If the running surface is the same, does anybody know why the 22VE hull takes more list than the RZ2 hull? Is that only the case with the 24VE?

[BCRider]

Regarding ConvexVX in General:
- Should I be targeting a boat that had this as a factory option or a retrofit?
There is no retrofit available. It either came with it or it didn't and they only started adding them in 2012 I believe....someone else can confirm.

I also have a ve and although I have never been on an RZ2 or 4 I am vary happy with my wave.

[Ewok]

Sorry - Looks like a few of my questions were answered already!

@Ewok - did you ever consider adding the Convex VX?

I considered it when it first came out but I don't see the value in adding it to my boat. I don't have FAE yet and when I add that to my boat I'm probably going to add a surf flap (rubber horse stall mat) below the swim platform to smooth out potential turbulence. As you can see my wave does not have any noticeable turbulence from the platform that a recreational rider would notice. Plus the convex VX would limit my ability to store snow tires under the swim platform in my garage.

[IDBoating]

EWOK - How did you mount the flag on the back of the boat? Is there a slot for it, or did you rig something?

He installed it himself. Did such a great job that it looks better than factory. It's a little ring with a closed-end tube that accepts the flag pole.

[IDBoating]

If the running surface is the same, does anybody know why the 22VE hull takes more list than the RZ2 hull? Is that only the case with the 24VE?

The 24Ve is a bigger hull, so it takes more ballast - but once that bigger hull is ballasted, you get a correspondingly bigger wave too!

[Ewok]

EWOK - How did you mount the flag on the back of the boat? Is there a slot for it, or did you rig something? Not sure where to put mine on the new boat.

I installed this in the center of my "transom activity center" seat:

http://www.iboats.com/S-S-Flag-Pole-...iew_id.1084889

Then I ordered one of these to fit in the hole, I think I used the 24" flagpole but I'm considering ordering the next size up. At rest the flag is about 1/2" above the water on the transom.

http://www.iboats.com/Taylor-Made-Te...view_id.886247

Here are a few pics of the install:









After the first time out I thought the flagpole was too loose so I hollowed out the bottom end of the flagpole and glues a very powerful magnet there, and I used epoxy to put the other half of the powerful magnet in the holder so there is a good bit of tension to pull the flagpole out of the holder.

[AspiringTigeOwner]

The 24Ve is a bigger hull, so it takes more ballast - but once that bigger hull is ballasted, you get a correspondingly bigger wave too!

Thanks for the help, that part makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me is that everything I've seen for the VE hull is that you have to list it (roll it over) ~10° more in order to get the optimal wave. If the running surface of the RZ2 is identical (meaning the part in the water), I wouldn't get why a ballasted VE and RZ2 would be different.

Sorry for the analytics...It's a personality quirk.

[dilpickle]

Regarding newer models - Z1:
- I like the idea of the newer Z1 because they'll seat 14, making them competitive with the RZ2, but at a foot shorter it's a more manageable size. Has anyone surfed or have video/pictures of a Z1 with Convex VX? If no, any idea of how much it improved the surf wave on the 2013/2014 boats? My impression is that it would get you to approximately the size of the Z3 but with a shorter length. Obviously the Z3 is the benchmark. I think I could stomach a bit more money if I could get a newer boat, even it if had quite a few hours for something in only 2 seasons.


Thanks to everyone for the support!

Regarding the Z1 & differences compared to RZ2, the Z1 is only 6 inches shorter in length (Z1 is 21' 6" long) but is heavier due to the higher freeboard. The prime difference in respect to space is that RZ has more room in bow from the picklefork design & RZ walkthrough is on starboard side, Z1 is in the middle.

Compared to the Z3 that is 18" longer, the extra space is split pretty evenly between the bow & main cabin. I'm 6'3" & in my Z1, I can sit in the bow with my legs flat & that is about the length of the bow area-2 adults can sit up there or 3-4 kids depending on how big they are, on the Z3 we demo'ed there is room for 4 full grown adults (my size) to sit comfortably. Behind the windshield, you can get 2 more people than the Z1 & pickup the trash can behind the driver's seat.

Hope this helps

[D&P Powell]

Awesome! Thanks EWOK! WABoating, you are right - it does look better than factory! To the others, sorry for hi-jacking the thread for a moment.

[IDBoating]

Awesome! Thanks EWOK! WABoating, you are right - it does look better than factory! To the others, sorry for hi-jacking the thread for a moment.

I like that, with the flag removed, the step there is essentially unchanged. It's still a flat surface, safe for bare feet, nothing to catch clothing or flesh. And it looks awesome.

[IDBoating]

What doesn't make sense to me is that everything I've seen for the VE hull is that you have to list it (roll it over) ~10° more in order to get the optimal wave.

It is true that on my 24Ve we often take it to 9+ degrees. At that point the rub rail is getting close to the waterline.

If the running surface of the RZ2 is identical (meaning the part in the water), I wouldn't get why a ballasted VE and RZ2 would be different.

I don't have an RZ4 to compare to my 24Ve (same lengths) so I don't know what longitudinal/roll axis angles are required/common for the pickle fork version. I wonder if the angles really ARE different, or if people are just comparing amounts of ballast?

Sorry for the analytics...It's a personality quirk.

Hey, I'm an Engineer. The line forms behind ME for wondering about details!