My Winter Projects

[chpthril]

Yes. In most systems the hose is not smallest orifice. So the inside wall friction of the smaller hose compared to the larger hose, is just not that much.

[JohnnieMo]

I found 10 foot chunks on sale for $3.35. I'll take that. Now I have work to do over Christmas break!

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[chpthril]

is that $3.35 p/ft for a 10 ft section or $3.35 for the entire 10 ft remnant?

[JohnnieMo]

A 10 foot roll on sale for $3.35. I couldn't believe it really. It is the cheap stuff, but hey, it should work. Clear tube with a braid. I'll just have to be careful to keep the kinks out of it. I tried a test fit and it can squeeze over the fittings.

[lee]

I believe that clear hose will collapse if placed on the suction side of the pump.

[JohnnieMo]

I believe that clear hose will collapse if placed on the suction side of the pump.

Ya, it might. I figure for a total investment of $14 I will try and see. However it will be fine for the vent lines and the drain lines. (which is all I should have to do anyways.)

[chpthril]

Under the heat of summer, that clear vinyl hose will get soft and collapse on itself. Even more prone are the sections with a bend. Make a tight bend, and it will collapse right there. Thats why i only suggest and use the coil reinforced hose.

[JohnnieMo]

Well that's a bummer. I can still use it for venting at least.

I had also pondered using 1" ID PVC conduit. A little strange, but I would assume it is the lowest flow resistance of anything out there. To get from one side of the boat to the other could be straight conduit, with some flex line on the ends.

[Dandy]

I believe you could use the vinyl reinforced hose for the drain as well. Chp could verify. I don't foresee this being as much of an issue with a pressurized output as it would be on the suction side. The type of hose you used is very commonly used in the pressurized output of agricultural spraying systems.

[JohnnieMo]

If it hasn't become obvious (throughout this thread and others), I tend to take the oddball approach. Not sure why.... I guess I like to try new things... blaze a trail... innovate.. or just screw up frequently before coming on-side with popular opinion. Sometimes the ideas pan out and other times they don't. Either way, it keeps my mind working.

So no offence to those who suggest the correct approach and I try something else. It's not you... it's me :P

(perhaps some day I'll share my design for a dock that can work on a lake which rises and falls by +/- 20 feet each year.)

Here are some options I found at Home Depot. I think I might try the PVC route for crossing one side to the other.





Also stumbled on this stuff which seems to max at 3/4"


They also have underground sprinkler conduit which is somewhat flexible. I assume any of them would work. Let's face it, the Romans taught us how to move water thousands of years ago, and we've found a few other ways to do it since.

[Dandy]

JMo - Based on your pics, you are showing some plumbing and some electrical connections. The Carlon products are to protect electrical wiring inside (you probably knew that). I would either stick with PVC/ABS as you can find a variety of fittings, including threaded that you could turn a pipe thread X hose barb fitting into to create your final flexible end. The sprinkler pipe would probably work as well, however it cannot be bent around corners as well as the coil reinforced hose and will kink much easier. The sprinkler department does have plenty of fittings - tees, barbs.... and the coordinating crimp clamps. The Carlon hose also seems to be much stiffer than the coil reinforced hose. I have to admit, I love the idea of everything other than the final end plumbed with hard pipe, however I think you would have a lot of challenges getting it run from one side to the other. A fun idea for you...since you are looking to XVent and Drain, I believe you will end up with 4 hoses that cross port/star (1 vent & 1 drain from each side), if you do dual drain pumps, you will have 6 hoses. See if you can find a straight run from port/star to mount a 6" pipe which would make for a clean run from port/star - running the hoses inside this tube. With those hoses run inside, it would provide a very clean look. Just doing my part to make things even more complex for you. - Merry Christmas!

[JohnnieMo]

Interesting idea.... I think running a 1" hard line will be challenging enough, let alone a 6" hard line.

And yes I did know they were electrical. I think that flex hose wouldn't work, but either the grey or white pipe should do the trick. I realize one is electrical and the other is plumbing, but I doubt the water will care one way or the other. I bought some samples to see which one might interface with my crappy 1" hose. I assume some ABS cement will be good on the fittings and I'll be off to the races. (or have a boat full of water)

One way or another, I'll create some winter time entertainment for the rest of you. (considering so far I've almost pulled my garage down, got trapped in the starboard storage bin by my son, and got antifreeze all over my boat, I'd say I'm doing well so far)

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It seems like adding dual pumps will be something I'll want to do eventually (everyone seems to end up there). I have it slated as a next year project, but we'll see. Travism wants me to help do it on his Z3, so maybe we'll start there.

I think having a cross pump is a good place to start. In effect, it gives you dual fill and drain pumps.

[JohnnieMo]

Chpthrl - which crossover pump do you recommend? I think at least a couple of us from Calgary will be ordering stuff from you this year, so maybe I'll tackle that part as well.

I would think the best place to plumb in the cross over pump is from hard tank to hard tank, but that may be too complicated. Does anyone have pics on how they did it?

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Merry Christmas everyone! Thanks for sharing your time with me on this site. A good crew here.

[Stingreye]

Chpthrl - which crossover pump do you recommend? I think at least a couple of us from Calgary will be ordering stuff from you this year, so maybe I'll tackle that part as well.

I would think the best place to plumb in the cross over pump is from hard tank to hard tank, but that may be too complicated. Does anyone have pics on how they did it?

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Merry Christmas everyone! Thanks for sharing your time with me on this site. A good crew here.

I don't have pics but I bought mine from Chpthrl. We went with a Johnson reversible connected to an extra port he orders on the bottom of my custom sacs (reversible pump makes it a REALLY easy install). The pump I have mounted on the starboard side behind my locker wall. No idea if the Z1 is similar.

The cross pumps are awesome! It speeds up filling and draining as well as switching sides. I hit all my fill pumps. wait about 5 seconds then hit the transfer pump to fill surf side even faster. Same when the day is done, hit all my drains and transfer to the opposite side.

I don't think I have heard of a cross pump with hard tanks. I have only heard of it being used with sacs.

Merry Christmas and keep posting the progress on your mods! I enjoy reading about your adventures

[JohnnieMo]

Well Santa was good to me and I got some nice swag from the Tigé store (they use nice product which is great to see)







However no stereo parts for me. I'm trying to decide what to do now. I've got about $1000 to spend on the boat so do I go for stereo upgrades (XS12 and WS420) or go for a cross pump and a soulcraft board??? Oh the decisions

I'm thinking about boxing up the 10FA and trying it for a year. Does anyone have feedback on how it works in a box? I can also just cut holes in the back wall to create a bigger air space. Either is fairly easy at this point. It's all disassembled.

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