Revert back to Throttle Cable to get Perfect Pass?? 2006 Boat

[dom w. forte]

Dom--I am intrigued. Is "pps" the PCM motor's Throttle Postion Sensor? I apologize for not being able to follow your recipe exactly. Remedial Tige owner here. Not necessarily a COMPLETE idiot, but close at times.

PPS stands for pedal pressure sensor and comes from the auto side, on a boat its either on the shifter or in early PCM engines was on a bracket on the intake manifold, the TPS are built into the throtllebody on the intake manifold, there is no linkage only a throttle driven by an electric motor , so if you purchase the PPS from PCM it comes with a stand which has the throttle lever on it which would hook too the perfect pass cable.

[ericinmich]

PPS stands for pedal pressure sensor and comes from the auto side, on a boat its either on the shifter or in early PCM engines was on a bracket on the intake manifold, the TPS are built into the throtllebody on the intake manifold, there is no linkage only a throttle driven by an electric motor , so if you purchase the PPS from PCM it comes with a stand which has the throttle lever on it which would hook too the perfect pass cable.

PPS = Pedal Position Sensor. I'm sure it was just a typo though!

[zany]

[QUOTE=dakota4ce;736443]This is essentially the feedback I was looking for. I want a decent level of function so that my wife can pull me without starting a dispute (as an example).

In this scenario, my understanding of SpeedSet is that the up and down arrows will alter speed by 1 mph? Zany is this ever an issue?


I think it alters by 1/2 mph. The down side is, if you turn the motor off it forgets everything.

[dakota4ce]

[QUOTE=zany;736463]

I think it alters by 1/2 mph. The down side is, if you turn the motor off it forgets everything.

So, if you leave the motor idling and restart someone, you throttle up to get them up, push SpeedSet again, and it should revert to the speed setting you were just on? That's not too bad if true, the same rider can do multiple runs without resetting the SpeedSet every time....?

[chpthril]

Should not have to touch button again, IIRC, the Speed-Set will reengage at the previous set point. In the 07 version with the actual set speed displayed, I think it reengaged even id the engine was shut off. Been awhile since ive driven an 07 or 08.

[zany]

Should not have to touch button again, IIRC, the Speed-Set will reengage at the previous set point. In the 07 version with the actual set speed displayed, I think it reengaged even id the engine was shut off. Been awhile since ive driven an 07 or 08.

chpthri is Correct. No speed set displayed on 06. The only thing is you need to do is, not over run the set point to fast because it is slow to adjust down ward.

[dakota4ce]

Yeah what dom said is essentially what my setup is. Mechanical throttle lever at the helm and a special bracket in the engine bay that connects the mechanical throttle cable to the electronic throttle position sensor. The pic below is before I installed perfect pass but I was able to conect the perfect pass servo motor to the linkage at this special bracket so taht perfect pass can control the position of the sensor.

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I would love to know how hard it is to get the pieces:

1. Old style throttle lever with cable--assume the shifter cable along with it the same for both?
2. The special "throttle buddy" bracket with TPS built into it.

Also wonder if that throttle lever and assembly just slides right into the same spot my lever/pps sensor exists in now?

Dom, or anyone, know how to source this setup parts wise?

[dakota4ce]

PPS stands for pedal pressure sensor and comes from the auto side, on a boat its either on the shifter or in early PCM engines was on a bracket on the intake manifold, the TPS are built into the throtllebody on the intake manifold, there is no linkage only a throttle driven by an electric motor , so if you purchase the PPS from PCM it comes with a stand which has the throttle lever on it which would hook too the perfect pass cable.

I just re-read the thread for the 15th time, and the light just turned on---maybe.

You are just moving the PPS from the throttle lever area back to the engine compartment. I think I get it now. The PPS sends a signal to the TPS in my motor--which moves the throttle body and speeds engine up. There is no way to link to the TPS directly, it is built in and receives no type of mechanical input. Just electrical.....from the PPS. Normally the PPS is attached to my lever in my helm. But in this case, we move it back to the engine bay. This sounds fairly simple. I am assuming the PPS is the same between the PCM setup you mention and the MP setup that they created in 2006. Sounds then like in 2007 they used a whole new ECM which obsoleted the PPS to TPS connection that my motor has.

Am I getting this? Any idea where to get the parts?

[dakota4ce]

PPS stands for pedal pressure sensor and comes from the auto side, on a boat its either on the shifter or in early PCM engines was on a bracket on the intake manifold, the TPS are built into the throtllebody on the intake manifold, there is no linkage only a throttle driven by an electric motor , so if you purchase the PPS from PCM it comes with a stand which has the throttle lever on it which would hook too the perfect pass cable.

Is this what you speak of Dom? Found on PCM WEBSITE. Is what they call the throttle control position sensor the same as the pps referenced in your recipe?

[dakota4ce]

Then.....what if I replaced my throttle with something like this or any other teleflex throttle assembly? I thought this looked good because potentially the trim could be used for TAPS. Thoughts?

[Stingreye]

What about using this Marine Power part number:
http://marineenginedepot.com/MP/Mari...-with-Bracket/


I think its used when a newer motor is dropped in an older boat like cpropes2005

Might be worth a call to Marine Power and see if you could just drop that part in then get a mechanical throttle to replicate his setup with Perfect Pass.

EDIT: Looks like the link is for MEFI5! It might not work with your motor if its MEFI4.

[boardman74]

Before you do all this and spend all the money(probably 3K minimum with perfect pass) have you even tried the system out to see if it will fit your needs? For 97.9876549% of people the system works just fine. Like I said before the problem is in the failure usually and not in the operation. If and when the key pad fails your looking at around $700. It can fail 4 plus times before you get to the cost your talking about when replacing it with a caniblized system. Also consider resale. Now you have a boat with a shade tree rigged cruise system that nobody but the guy who dreamed it up understands. Unless you plan to keep the boat for a LONG time I think your better off just leaving it alone.

[dakota4ce]

Before you do all this and spend all the money(probably 3K minimum with perfect pass) have you even tried the system out to see if it will fit your needs? For 97.9876549% of people the system works just fine. Like I said before the problem is in the failure usually and not in the operation. If and when the key pad fails your looking at around $700. It can fail 4 plus times before you get to the cost your talking about when replacing it with a caniblized system. Also consider resale. Now you have a boat with a shade tree rigged cruise system that nobody but the guy who dreamed it up understands. Unless you plan to keep the boat for a LONG time I think your better off just leaving it alone.

boardman74 I am sensitive to the point you're making. I would not spend $3K to do this even if it was tried and true. If its not elegant, then it will not happen. I am simply trying to create something ideal, and keeping my mind busy. I personally don't think of it as "rigged" so much, it would be a more sensible system to operate and repair then would the 2006 stock system is IMHO. It would not take a mechanic long to see the bracket (which is just like every PCM engine of that era) and know what he is working with. Plus a functioning hydrophase or PP unit I think would actually enhance resale for a 2006 boat, or at least be neutral. Maybe I am not seeing through clear lenses?

A new throttle control seems to be in the $300 range, bracket would be $200, cable $100, then a cruise unit (I was thinking I really like the hydrophase unit--$1089). If indeed this could be fashioned for $1600-1700, then it becomes feasible.

But I hear you. Problem is, I currently have a paddlewheel/speedometer issue right off the bat, so I could be looking at several hundred dollars just to get the system functioning in the first place. It is tempting to just run from the issues right off the bat.

However, you make a great point. I do appreciate your angle too!

Who knows what I will really do--very likely nothing if I run into any hiccups.

[duffymahoney]

Probably cheaper to sell the boat and get a 2005 24v. Better surf boat anyways and comes with old tried and true perfect pass

[dakota4ce]

Probably cheaper to sell the boat and get a 2005 24v. Better surf boat anyways and comes with old tried and true perfect pass

Had I known......this was a surprise to me after I had already researched the heck out of boats! Oh well. I wanted the stern activity center to sit on and store ropes, but should have gone 2007 or newer. This one had low hours and sucked me right in.