Buying used 2013 z3 owned by wakesurf company

[Bigdog0598]

talked to them, they are pretty set on pricing from what they told me. from what i've seen 63 is a smoking deal, everything else is in the 70's that i've seen, only reason i'm considering it, i talked to a boat mechanic about it and he said that is a good amount of rust, but that cast steel rusts very easily, i'm not debating anyone, just saying what i was told, and asking for advice, said just to clean it off and keep it wd40'd

[Stingreye]

So does that mean we have the proud new owner of a z3? If so congratulations, post pics, and come out to the Mead reunion this weekend!

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[Bigdog0598]

ok, so i've done lots of research on this now.....i have found there was a prop shaft seal that had a recall, and i know this boat was moored in the water at big bear for 4-5 months and i know that the prop shaft got bent due to water level dropping and it resting on the prop. I am thinking that this boat got water that sat for a while in this bottom area that has caused a lot of this rust from the leaking shaft having water fill in the bottom area. Now i don't know this happened for sure, but it sounds like a very good possibility that me and a few boat friends have come up with. Now i have to wait to make sure there is no hull damaged from that weight sitting on the prop.

[ericinmich]

IMO, run away. The only way I would buy that boat would be if I planned on running it in salt water anyway.

Or if you buy the boat, plan on pulling the engine and drive train, sand blasting and painting it and replacing anything else that is rusting from the salt (water forward from the engine/trans, how about under fuel tank). So all said in done, spend a few (more?) grand getting it right. Which puts you in the ball park of a fresh water boat.

These aren't salt water boats (IMO). I owned a large express with twin diesels, a salt water boat. It was 20 yrs old and looked much better than the one you are looking at.

[JLG]

If that boat sat with water in it like said for an extended period of time covered I could only imagine how much humidity the electronics were exposed to? That salt water has to be in every crack of that boat in this case. Would scare the hell out of me for sure. The unknown could really cost that extra few $$ your talking to upgrade to a different boat or even one that is brand new with an actual
"Tige Warranty" I would spend some time shopping around as more boats will come on the market soon as winter storage hits. I was in a hurry to buy my last boat and spent numerous amounts of time cleaning and money getting it back to where it needed to be and it was never the clean 100hr boat I thought I was buying because the previous owner left it with water in bilge after using each time. Just beware is all I'm saying

[boardman74]

I worked for a Tige dealer and I can tell you 100% that Tige DOES NOT transfer warranty. The bow to stern and the 360 DOES NOT transfer. You can transfer the hull(who cares only covers a manufacturing failure) and possibly the PCM engine warranty. If you don't believe me I would call the factory and ask to talk to Harvey Smith.

Now the dealer may honor the warranty, but I would get that in writing. At that point its a dealer warranty and not Tige's.

[boardman74]

This is directly off Tige.com on the warranty page:

WHO IS COVERED
The warranty is provided to the original retail purchaser of the new boat. The Tigé LifePlus Lifetime Replacement Warranty is transferable to a second owner under limited circumstances. For this warranty to apply, the dealer must submit the owner registered boat immediately upon delivery. Owner must operate and maintain the boat in accordance with the owner and service manuals.

The Lifetime Plus is just the hull warranty. Only covers a hull failure, which Tige claims they have never had. Here is the link: http://www.tige.com/warranty/tige_li...rev_070814.pdf

[Ewok]

With past damage from the prop shaft getting bent and sitting with a bilge full of water for a while you should be able to get them at least 5k lower than their asking price. That boat was definitely neglected and it will need some TLC, and boardman is correct about the warranty, you basically have no warranty to work with, unless it's a dealer specified warranty and that's another story.

[whiteflash watersports]

It seems all of you who are "terrified" of salt water have never run in salt water. We run our boat in the intracoastal waterway 50% of the time. I have run all of our boats for the last 20yrs in this and never had any issues. Our old mercruiser on a Searay had similar surface rust issues but never any other issues with over 1000hrs of use. Our 2012 RZR has over 300 hrs on it it in 3 years we have had no issues at all. We do the routine maintenace as described in the pcm manual and thats it. We have the 343 and it is water cooled - no closed cooling.

I flush the engine, bilge and wash it after each use in intracoastal. I do not prevent people from getting in wet, dripping boards over engine etc as I sometimes see salt users say. We use it the same as we do at the lake.

Our trailer is painted galvanized steel. A painted trailer takes a beating even if you wash after each trip. They rust from the inside out.

I dont know if this help or confuses but just some food for thought.

[Stingreye]

It seems all of you who are "terrified" of salt water have never run in salt water. We run our boat in the intracoastal waterway 50% of the time. I have run all of our boats for the last 20yrs in this and never had any issues. Our old mercruiser on a Searay had similar surface rust issues but never any other issues with over 1000hrs of use. Our 2012 RZR has over 300 hrs on it it in 3 years we have had no issues at all. We do the routine maintenace as described in the pcm manual and thats it. We have the 343 and it is water cooled - no closed cooling.

I flush the engine, bilge and wash it after each use in intracoastal. I do not prevent people from getting in wet, dripping boards over engine etc as I sometimes see salt users say. We use it the same as we do at the lake.

Our trailer is painted galvanized steel. A painted trailer takes a beating even if you wash after each trip. They rust from the inside out.

I dont know if this help or confuses but just some food for thought.

Everyone that I have met that runs in salt, feels the same way you do and really haven't had too many troubles (in particular with half closed cooling). However, the reaction of everyone else on here and other places has always made me too nervous to out my boat in salt water. I have also heard that trailers are the first to go (and it sounds like this trailer is in good shape).

I wonder how much time it really could have spent in salt. Its only got 57 hours and it did spend time moored at Big Bear Lake (its fresh water).

I would still go back to Chpthril's comment. Dealer represents seller, get an expert in there that represents you to fully vet the boat.

[Bigdog0598]

so i've talked to tige and the dealer some more, tige said that it looks like surface rust and i ask what about the electrical connections and i was told that these boat have marine grade siliconed connections that would prevent corrosion on those connections. The dealer is being great and telling me to do whatever i feel comfortable with, he said they are going to check it out completely and go thru everything and make sure everything looks good and clean up as much of that rust as possible. He doesn't believe that is sat full of water in the bilge, they may have been some water in there and it was kept covered and the mostuire built up, but there is no water line that he could see that would lead him to believe that it was filled with water back there.

Has anyone here used tige water sports in Corona, CA, had any problems with him?

[Stingreye]

Looked up the old info:
http://www.synswell.com/synswell-i---feb-2014.html

it was scheduled for the fresh water day at synswell. Had they used it regularly in Salt, my guess is they would have signed up for both salt and fresh water day.

It is interesting to note that the Factory demo Nautique and teh Tilly's Axis (salt water series), were both used on the salt day.

Corona dealer would be my local dealer but I bought used and have always liked to use independent marine mechanics for my boats when I needed to. Really can't give you an opinion of them.

For the relatively small cost to have a marine mechanic to at least look at it, it would be worth it for me. $500 ish for a $60k+ purchase seems like good insurance.

[Coop]

Has anyone here used tige water sports in Corona, CA, had any problems with him?

I bought both of my Tiges from Chris at TWS, and I've had all of my service done through them. Chris also sold my 24V on consignment. In my experience, they have always been above-board and provided top notch service.

That said, as someone mentioned above, he represents the seller and is probably looking to make some money out of this transaction, so I'd recommend getting an independent mechanic to vet the boat for you.

[Bigdog0598]

Was it a tige that had water left in the bilge? What did it rust out in the engine? What electrical besides the starter

If that boat sat with water in it like said for an extended period of time covered I could only imagine how much humidity the electronics were exposed to? That salt water has to be in every crack of that boat in this case. Would scare the hell out of me for sure. The unknown could really cost that extra few $$ your talking to upgrade to a different boat or even one that is brand new with an actual
"Tige Warranty" I would spend some time shopping around as more boats will come on the market soon as winter storage hits. I was in a hurry to buy my last boat and spent numerous amounts of time cleaning and money getting it back to where it needed to be and it was never the clean 100hr boat I thought I was buying because the previous owner left it with water in bilge after using each time. Just beware is all I'm saying

[Bigdog0598]

Know any mechanics in that area to call?

Looked up the old info:
http://www.synswell.com/synswell-i---feb-2014.html

it was scheduled for the fresh water day at synswell. Had they used it regularly in Salt, my guess is they would have signed up for both salt and fresh water day.

It is interesting to note that the Factory demo Nautique and teh Tilly's Axis (salt water series), were both used on the salt day.

Corona dealer would be my local dealer but I bought used and have always liked to use independent marine mechanics for my boats when I needed to. Really can't give you an opinion of them.

For the relatively small cost to have a marine mechanic to at least look at it, it would be worth it for me. $500 ish for a $60k+ purchase seems like good insurance.