Tige Remote Control Wake?

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1. Raptor Engine
2. Tige Touch 2
3. Surf X
4. AVX
5. Remote

Begone, sounds like you need to go see your dealer and see what he can get you in a 15 for. Model changes happen, otherwise a brand gets stale, Tige made a huge amount of changes for 15, nature of the beast, but it's better than them making no changes. I'm currently waiting on a 15 to be delivered, I've been without a boat the month of august and probably all of September after I had a 14 Tige for about 6 weeks. So I've lost at least 8 weeks of my summer, but I made that choice due to the volume of changes on the new model. Nobody said you couldn't have those options, you just can't have them on your 14 or for free.

[skippabcool]

Glad to see the innovations that Tige is making. If you don't like the steps they are making then jump ship and buy elsewhere and stop the bitching about it on Tigeowners!
Pretty sad when other inboard boat sites have ppl that are welcoming the new system and glad to see the steps Tige is taking towards a better surf world and us here on TO can't do the same. Everyone seems to want to see the new TIGE system fail before it hits the market! Again just my

My is that people don't want Tige to fail rather Tige has been striking out lately. I think there is some hope from owners / previous owners that Tige is reading these threads and will glean some useful free research as to what the consumer wants in a boat. If you look at the profiles, there are many that have jumped ship, for numerous reasons.

It wasn't that long ago that Tige was adamant that there was no need for ballast, all while other companies used ballast. When Tige finally realized that ballast would give them a sick wave they finally dropped the no ballast needed and started adding ballast. Are they doing the same with the need for a "non listed surf system"?

[Ewok]

I think the biggest mistake in this "reveal" is that 2015 models were ordered and shipped without knowledge of these 2015 model year upgrades. They probably shouldn't have called the current production 2015 models until they revealed this new surf system, then to keep the model years less complicated, make it available on 2015 models and have a clean break there from the 2014 models.

[smitty328]

I think the biggest mistake in this "reveal" is that 2015 models were ordered and shipped without knowledge of these 2015 model year upgrades. They probably shouldn't have called the current production 2015 models until they revealed this new surf system, then to keep the model years less complicated, make it available on 2015 models and have a clean break there from the 2014 models.

That would mean no production for two months. What dealer would order 2014 models during the 2015 production season? Also, not every boat order will have the AVX system.

[JohnnieMo]

It doesn't bother me that Tigé is making upgrades. We all whine when they don't.

It would be nice if retrofitting, when possible, was a reasonably priced option. I think that would grow brand loyalty.

I have a one year old boat with an old Vx, an old Tigé Touch and a discontinued engine. I do hope the new angled Vx Is possible. The adjustment doesn't matter much but new brackets for my existing Vx doesn't seem like a stretch. Just give me the angle ragboy was testing.

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Some of it probably is retrofittable. Like the bigger factory bags, the new fixed vx brackets but may require a new vx. But everyone should understand that fully backwards compatible is a recipe for mediocre advancements in any industry.

[ragboy]

I can't see how the adjustable VX would be retrofit, unless a third party did it.

Is it any different with other boats or vehicles? When ford upgrades engines, sync, etc. none of those things are easily upgrade able, if at all. I think it's tougher with these boats, because many of us save up for a long time and dream about it, then pull the trigger and plan on sticking with it for a while, which makes it sting more. I know this is always an issue with laptops and electronics as well. In the end, a company cannot discuss what is coming and when.

There is always going to be something cooler coming out. Dial in your wake, take your family surfing and enjoy! Buy a new board when you get the itch, a ton cheaper and tons of fun.

[Z3CO23]

I will have to agree with both Ewok and Johnnie on this one. I'll make 3 points that cover my thoughts.

1. My interpretation of Tige's company stance is they have made a commitment to a listed boat, for Tige owners hoping to have a non listed surf system with a Tige are going to have to go to other manufacturers if a listed boat is a deal breaker for them.

2. I am personally a big fan of the Raptor move but I understand why people who are GM loyal are not. The Tige Touch 2 is way awesome... this is the only new upgrade I've played with in person.... it works so smooth and it's layed out nicely. I have no doubt that the new surf bags and adjustable vx will be great.

3. Tige absolutely botched the timing on this release. I completely understand not having a retrofit for 14's... tige touch 1 vs tige touch 2 which are different manufacturers so to me that's totally understandable. But not being able to retrofit a 15 or have it available for 15's.... come on. If some one wanted it retrofitted on a 15 then hell they gotta pony up the money to make it happen, that shouldnt be on Tige but it should be available... hell it can't be this colossal task it's being made out to be... don't tell me it's impossible.

When I first joined the forum until now I've seen what I perceived as some really stoked Tige owners leave the company for other brands which is concerning. I personally don't mind the listed boat or the down time to switch sides but I have ridden a surfgate equipped boat too and it was a fun time, just different wake. Like I've said before, the wife and I are a couple years out from a new boat but i like what I see so far.

[ragboy]

I can't disagree on timing for 15 owners.

[IDBoating]

Is it any different with other boats or vehicles? I know this is always an issue with laptops and electronics as well. In the end, a company cannot discuss what is coming and when.

Exactly correct. For an excellent example and history on this, see "Osborne Effect". Excerpt:

The Osborne effect is a term referring to the unintended consequences of a company pre-announcement made either unaware of the risks involved or when the timing is misjudged, which ends up having a negative impact on the sales of the current product. The term was coined after the Osborne Computer Corporation, in which the company took more than a year to make its next product available and eventually ran out of cash and went bankrupt in 1985.

The link includes several other examples of this bankrupting, or nearly bankrupting, various companies.

I offer no judgements here on whether Tige handled this properly, or not. Just an observation that the timing of new product announcements can have a huge effect - positive or negative - on the company as a whole.

[Ewok]

That would mean no production for two months. What dealer would order 2014 models during the 2015 production season? Also, not every boat order will have the AVX system.

It's completely arbitrary and up to Tige when to call a boat a 2015 or 2014 model. They could have kept calling them 2014 models until all the new stuff was ready for 2015, that's all I'm saying, and it would make it easier for consumers or know what they are getting with their model year. For example, dingleberry has a late 2008 production RZ4 but he has the alpha Z tower which first became available on 2009 models, so his boat is considered a 2009. It's an easy distinction, 2009 introduced the alpha Z tower, 2010 was Tige touch, 2013 was convex vx, 2015 is Tige touch 2, but 2015.2 is now surf X. I think people are just a bit confused that Tige is not being consistent with how and when it introduces new features, especially the folks who just ordered a 2015. I would be a little upset if I had just ordered a 2015 2 weeks ago without the ability to have the surf X, that's all.

[Z3CO23]

It's completely arbitrary and up to Tige when to call a boat a 2015 or 2014 model. They could have kept calling them 2014 models until all the new stuff was ready for 2015, that's all I'm saying, and it would make it easier for consumers or know what they are getting with their model year. For example, dingleberry has a late 2008 production RZ4 but he has the alpha Z tower which first became available on 2009 models, so his boat is considered a 2009. It's an easy distinction, 2009 introduced the alpha Z tower, 2010 was Tige touch, 2013 was convex vx, 2015 is Tige touch 2, but 2015.2 is now surf X. I think people are just a bit confused that Tige is not being consistent with how and when it introduces new features, especially the folks who just ordered a 2015. I would be a little upset if I had just ordered a 2015 2 weeks ago without the ability to have the surf X, that's all.

+1. Well said.

[Tomp]

As some of you already know I have had ongoing issues with my motor on my 2014 z3, and still not been resolved.
I did get a price from my dealer taking my boat back and providing me a 2015 equipped the same but with the new motor avx and surf x package.
$19000.00 difference.
Sounds to me like good number for a normal trade in but seems like allot of money considering this is to also correct my problems and frustrations with my current boat.
In a state with a 3 month season it's hard to justify what I've already invested.
I can see that the base list is up $5000 and the new surf equipment is up an additional $3500.
So it looks like I would be paying a $10,000 premium to have a 2015.

Am I missing something?
Not sure what to do?

[IDBoating]

So it looks like I would be paying a $10,000 premium to have a 2015.

That dealer is simply trying to cover the depreciation of a used boat. He hasn't fixed it for you, there's no reason to presume he'll give better service to the next customer, so he's just covering himself financially. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think you're going to get satisfaction from this dealer. I would be talking directly to Tige, or to Indmar.

Side note: When I had a transmission issue within warranty on my boat, I talked directly with PCM (the engine/tranny/v-drive manufacturer). They handled everything, coordinated payment to the local dealer with Tige, and it went perfect. Maybe you should file a warranty claim directly with Indmar and see if that works better than trying to work with your current dealer. Before you call, I'd find another Indmar-certified shop in your area so you can offer them as a different shop. Doesn't have to be a Tige dealer... find out who else uses Indmar engines and then find THAT dealer in your area. (When I had my work done, it was at the Nautique dealer because they too use PCM engines.)

[smitty328]

It's completely arbitrary and up to Tige when to call a boat a 2015 or 2014 model. They could have kept calling them 2014 models until all the new stuff was ready for 2015, that's all I'm saying, and it would make it easier for consumers or know what they are getting with their model year. For example, dingleberry has a late 2008 production RZ4 but he has the alpha Z tower which first became available on 2009 models, so his boat is considered a 2009. It's an easy distinction, 2009 introduced the alpha Z tower, 2010 was Tige touch, 2013 was convex vx, 2015 is Tige touch 2, but 2015.2 is now surf X. I think people are just a bit confused that Tige is not being consistent with how and when it introduces new features, especially the folks who just ordered a 2015. I would be a little upset if I had just ordered a 2015 2 weeks ago without the ability to have the surf X, that's all.

I understand your point and it's a valid one. All I'm saying, is what dealer is going to want to restock with boats that will turn a year old in one month or so.