No Tige Surf 'System'

[cday76]

While a quick switching system is the crowd favorite that influences boat purchases, it however produces a terrible wave. Being on Lake Austin I've had a chance to surf a wide variety of boats. The boats that use devices at the back of the hull to switch sides produce a wave that is tall, long and goes almost straight back. The wave has very little hook or angle in relation to the boat. You find yourself riding on your toes more and the wave is flat. It's just not a fun wave to ride compared to a boat that utilizes weighting one side. There is usually a lip that runs right up the middle of the wave and the top is washed out. The only quick switching system I have not ridden is the new Mastercraft. I'm dying to try it out and the wave looks nice since it rolls to one side.

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I chose to purchase another Tige after giving several boats a fair shake. My wife and the majority of my friends surf on the goofy side. Switching sides easily/fast is one of my priorities. However I still came right back to Tige. The hull design is why the boat makes such a phenomenal wave. The bottom of the boat acts like an airplane wing turned upside down. It creates lift just like the wing of a plane, however this lift is negative and pulls the boat down in the water displacing more water with less weight. Another benefit is the water flows off the rear of the hull with much less turbulence than other hulls. The convex hull just makes a butter smooth wave with less weight. While it was said above Tige needs a dedicated R&D team crunching scientific data, it shows in their hull design they have a deep understanding of fluid dynamics. With that being said I would love to see a hull extension split in two with a flexible membrane between the two extensions. Then add the ability to control the individual halfs of the extension to roll the boat just like the ailerons on a plane. I think that would still deliver the same wave with a fast switch. Maybe if I get drunk enough I'll break out the reciprocating saw on my hull extension and post some videos of the results.

[Z1Fan]

Well, a used 22V, 22Ve, 24V, or 24Ve will do the trick. Our 2007 24Ve is still on our lake and throws one of the best wakes available, uses only water ballast and switches from side to side in like 3 mins. Dave Rusch's 22V throws an amazing wake. I steer people that way all the time that can't afford a new boat.

For us up in Canada , that's still a very expensive proposition , as even used boats are priced quite high, which begs the question , are towboats pricing themselves right out of the market ? When will there be a 200k wake boat ?
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[retox1]

For us up in Canada , that's still a very expensive proposition , as even used boats are priced quite high, which begs the question , are towboats pricing themselves right out of the market ? When will there be a 200k wake boat ?
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Gotta be getting close to that 200k mark in Canada already. I bet the new G25 is VERY close. I know at the Calgary boat show 2 years ago i was told 160 for a G23. Its crazy here. If you check on Kijiji here its not uncommon to see an older 22v for close to 40k.

I do think a surf "system" to switch sides quickly is a great idea but i've never been behind a boat with one to compare waves. I just got back from a few days at the lake where i was the only person who surfs regular. Everyone else was goofy. So in a situation like that it would be great to switch sides really quickly. I was actually thinking if i decide to keep my RZ2 i might start to build a surfgate system or something like the NSS for next year.

[Dandy]

When will there be a 200k wake boat ?

I am guessing that is a race that will take place between MC and Nautique...my guess is there will be one ($MSRP) by 2020. Just inflationary rates along will put it close without the added cost of technology and R&D.

[jmoore15]

I don't think we can blame price increases on technology. I mean really how different is the first generation RZ2 from the 2014 from a technology perspective??? The main difference I see that is "tech" is the TT. I understand that fit finish and gel options have changed but come on.

[Z1Fan]

I don't think we can blame price increases on technology. I mean really how different is the first generation RZ2 from the 2014 from a technology perspective??? The main difference I see that is "tech" is the TT. I understand that fit finish and gel options have changed but come on.

I agree with you jmoore, **** a plasma tv is cheaper now then it was 3 years ago , but I also realize market forces are at play here , such as demand etc .. And in Canada resource rich (oil) provinces like Alberta contuniue to stoke that market for high end boats , but I wonder what will happen if this provinces or states start to slow down ....

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[Dandy]

Yes, you have TT (or what ever fancy control the others have), surf systems, new - more costly flooring and "soft touch" materials, increased labor (hopefully for employees), increased health care costs, increased insurance costs (the liability for these manufacturers I would assume are quite high), new engine and fuel system requirements (thank you big government) and the list can go on. Some of these higher costs also affect their suppliers creating higher input costs for the components that they don't produce in-house. Compared to several other industries, the # of boats produced annually is actually quite small, not providing the buying leverage companies see in other industries. Yes, some of that can be considered inflationary, but it adds to the cost of doing business which results in higher costs to the consumers if they intend to be in business to service us in the future. Maybe because I work for a manufacturing company I am more willing to accept these increases as we deal with them on a regular basis from our vendors as well.

[jmoore15]

Dandy, I get all that but disagree things change that fast. My previous Z1 bought new in 2010 (hard loaded) was out the door for less than $50. I know your 2013 was not in the same ballpark. I also get boat manufactures pushing to see what the market will bear. Just going to be interesting to see how much more inflation buyers are going to take without truly having a boat that changes the game.

[BCRider]

The boat market up here in Canada is tough. Mostly because there aren't that many boats to choose from compared to the US. Prices are typically higher up here as well. If you live in Alberta they are even more. The oil boys pay through the nose. I've seen used G23's still for $125k. The problem is everyone paid more when they bought so they think they can still get more once it's used. Currently there are a couple 06/07 mastercrafts on CL and people still want 60K or more. I just don't think its there. The more and more I see boats on CL in the area makes me realize that I got a pretty good deal IMO on my 09 22ve ($ 44k CDN). I know there is a lot of technology in these boats nowadays but when you take the money that you could spend on a wake boat to the ocean world you could buy a damn nice ocean boat for the same amount. To each his own and that's why I still have a wakeboat.

[houstonshark]

I have the ability to make taps plates and I do not think it should cost an arm and a leg.

My company manufactures many products and we have lasers and CNC forming equipment.

All I would need is a drawing or a plate to duplicate.

A simple devise off the VX would be great for anyone who insists they need to switch sides fast and keep the boat level.

Any help here with a drawing and dimensions, Robert?

I need a new TAPS plate!

[mnpracing]

The boat market up here in Canada is tough. Mostly because there aren't that many boats to choose from compared to the US. Prices are typically higher up here as well. If you live in Alberta they are even more. The oil boys pay through the nose. I've seen used G23's still for $125k. The problem is everyone paid more when they bought so they think they can still get more once it's used. Currently there are a couple 06/07 mastercrafts on CL and people still want 60K or more. I just don't think its there. The more and more I see boats on CL in the area makes me realize that I got a pretty good deal IMO on my 09 22ve ($ 44k CDN). I know there is a lot of technology in these boats nowadays but when you take the money that you could spend on a wake boat to the ocean world you could buy a damn nice ocean boat for the same amount. To each his own and that's why I still have a wakeboat.

FWIW, when I was selling my last two boats, and my personal watercraft, I got the most number of calls from Canadians. I sold the PWC's to a guy in Manitoba, and a guy from Saskatchewan just missed out on my 08 Moomba, but was ready to drive down to get it. Both commented that it was at least 40% more to buy the same thing in Canada.

[ragboy]

I will setup a group buy on the TAPS plates for those with older boats that want to try them. Currently, I would have to charge $150 + shipping. They cost me about $100 each, steel, and powder coated black. I could make out of stainless, but they would probably cost more.

The install is done by grinding out the rivets in the current plate, our plate lines up to the holes and you use stainless bolts and lock nuts with lock tight. This allows you to install and change back if you want, without worrying about the through hull bolts.

[Travism]

I will setup a group buy on the TAPS plates for those with older boats that want to try them. Currently, I would have to charge $150 + shipping. They cost me about $100 each, steel, and powder coated black. I could make out of stainless, but they would probably cost more.

The install is done by grinding out the rivets in the current plate, our plate lines up to the holes and you use stainless bolts and lock nuts with lock tight. This allows you to install and change back if you want, without worrying about the through hull bolts.

I will take one. Let me know when and where to send the money.

[dom w. forte]

Yes, you have TT (or what ever fancy control the others have), surf systems, new - more costly flooring and "soft touch" materials, increased labor (hopefully for employees), increased health care costs, increased insurance costs (the liability for these manufacturers I would assume are quite high), new engine and fuel system requirements (thank you big government) and the list can go on. Some of these higher costs also affect their suppliers creating higher input costs for the components that they don't produce in-house. Compared to several other industries, the # of boats produced annually is actually quite small, not providing the buying leverage companies see in other industries. Yes, some of that can be considered inflationary, but it adds to the cost of doing business which results in higher costs to the consumers if they intend to be in business to service us in the future. Maybe because I work for a manufacturing company I am more willing to accept these increases as we deal with them on a regular basis from our vendors as well.

One other major cost is enviromentle cost , sytreen in the building and all other disposal cost have increased , it has increased for our bussiness so I know theirs had to.

[Coop]

I will setup a group buy on the TAPS plates for those with older boats that want to try them. Currently, I would have to charge $150 + shipping. They cost me about $100 each, steel, and powder coated black. I could make out of stainless, but they would probably cost more.

The install is done by grinding out the rivets in the current plate, our plate lines up to the holes and you use stainless bolts and lock nuts with lock tight. This allows you to install and change back if you want, without worrying about the through hull bolts.

I'd be interested as well.

Since I added the VX to my RZ2, I'm getting wash on my goofy wake when I take the TAPS below 4. Do you think the new TAPS plate design might help with that?