No Tige Surf 'System'

[houstonshark]

With the announcement of MB's Switch, it appears as if Tige is the only one out of the top manufacturers without a 'System'.

Yes, I know about the CVX, but I don't really consider that a 'System', at least not as it compares to everyone else.

Malibu, Nautique, MC, Supra and now MB all have a surf system that allows you to quickly switch sides, without moving ballast and people around. The CVX just makes the wake better (though from what I've gathered, it generally requires a lot more ballast over factory).

I'm sure the first couple replies will be that the stock wake for all the manufacturers listed above is garbage, but that's not the point I'm making. (As a side note, yes, the MB wake looked like garbage in the Switch video, but I've seen some decent to pretty nice wakes from stock Surfgate and NSS boats.)

How much longer can Tige go without offering some sort of system that makes setting up the wake on either side easy and fast? I would think that the majority of buyers would be perfectly happy with simple and fast, especially if they had the ability to add a CVX and more ballast in the future, if they want a bigger, badder, world class surf wake.

[CarFanatic]

I believe that tige has a world class surf wake, and that listed is the way to achieve it. The two top surf boat company's both list centurion, and tige. Sure fast switch times are cool, but I'll hang out for 10 min to surf an a perfect wave.

[WakerideN]

With the announcement of MB's Switch, it appears as if Tige is the only one out of the top manufacturers without a 'System'.

Yes, I know about the CVX, but I don't really consider that a 'System', at least not as it compares to everyone else.

Malibu, Nautique, MC, Supra and now MB all have a surf system that allows you to quickly switch sides, without moving ballast and people around. The CVX just makes the wake better (though from what I've gathered, it generally requires a lot more ballast over factory).

I'm sure the first couple replies will be that the stock wake for all the manufacturers listed above is garbage, but that's not the point I'm making. (As a side note, yes, the MB wake looked like garbage in the Switch video, but I've seen some decent to pretty nice wakes from stock Surfgate and NSS boats.)

How much longer can Tige go without offering some sort of system that makes setting up the wake on either side easy and fast? I would think that the majority of buyers would be perfectly happy with simple and fast, especially if they had the ability to add a CVX and more ballast in the future, if they want a bigger, badder, world class surf wake.

I dont surf. but you make a valid point. What i find even more interesting is that Ragboy works hand in hand with Tige (as it appears to me) and he has created a setup that does switching for his Z3 but yet they have not incorporated it or something like it. go figure?

[sandm]

good observation and I hope that with as involved as tige is in surfing and that their hulls excel at it, something is in the works..

now for me, I have no issues with the 10 minutes or so that it takes to swap sides as that's usually the perfect time to enjoy a beer, do some talking or a quick "break" to relieve yourself in the water. I want the best wake I can get as that's all we do is surf and feels like the general opinion is that the surf systems make it easy to swap side to side, but at the expense of a "world class" wake.

[Matt Garcia]

I agree and this is my opinion but I do believe Tigé needs to catch up with gate/surf system. As a leader in producing some of the best surf waves I would have figured they have something already dialed.

However on the flip side of it I don’t buy in to the switch surf sides in 2 seconds (maybe because I dont surf enough). I don’t know about y’all but whenever Im done switching from wake boarding to surfing or even switching sides for surf rides I like to “chill” a bit. That chill time gives the driver (usually me) time to converse, warm the lake water or drink a beer. A big part of this hobby is the social part of it. Having that extra time to fill or empty ballast allows that.

[Z3CO23]

If Tige does not join the "surf system," game I do fear they will loose customers. Maybe no so much current customers but prospective customers outside of the current Tige ownership. We own Tiges cause we dig them obviously.

Is Tige going to loose their customers that love their competition listed waves, no they wont.

Could Tige loose the family customer that is considering a wake boat so that they can surf, yeah they could. Are there families of hardcore surfers out there that are more than willing to list or slam their boats to one side, yes. I'm referencing the average boating family that wants to surf. They are going to buy a surf system manufacturer.

If Tige doesn't want that type of customer then no system needed. If they do, they need a system.

I read something about a new "X" ballast system. Was this just the routing of the lines so that passive draining doesn't happen or was this an option to have a factory transfer pump installed?

[Detonate]

Even if the wait is acceptable, it would be nice not to have the extra wear and tear on the pumps.

Right now it's like you let all the goofy riders go until they are tired, then the regular guys... repeat.

With the surf gate, you can just let whoever is ready have a go...

I just did a demo in the Malibu this weekend, and the surf gate was awesome! Even just having the boat evenly weighted all the time was pleasant. There was also never a need to shuffle people to the surf side. Another plus...

[Dandy]

The reason we started shopping other brands is due to the lack of simplicity of set up and ease of adjustability (call it a surf system if you want). Surf systems are not just about switching sides, they also allow the ability to make adjustments to the wake/wave on the go. Yes, you may not get "World Class" waves like Centurion or Tige, but for an all around family friendly boats, this makes things more enjoyable. You don't have to add a little here, take out a little there...if you need to make an adjustment you can just push a button. Maybe with the 2015 rumored pitch/roll sensors you can find your wave and set it in your profile and it will adjust accordingly, unfortunatly for this family Tige was too late to the party.

EDIT: I was writing this while RZRCO23 was writing his post. We are a good example of what he mentions. Hopefully someday Tige will provide us with something to draw us back to their family.

[Cek1]

I dont surf. but you make a valid point. What i find even more interesting is that Ragboy works hand in hand with Tige (as it appears to me) and he has created a setup that does switching for his Z3 but yet they have not incorporated it or something like it. go figure?

What system are you referring to? I'd be interested to see what he has come up with.

[Timmy!]

They aren't rumored pitch/roll sensors, they are real. Unfortunately, as far as I know, they do NOT adjust accordingly.

I would love to see what a 3 trim tab setup on a Tige does.

[CarFanatic]

ragboy has a cross pump. its a ballast puppy, that switches water from side to side.. Easy to do.

[mnpracing]

I read something about a new "X" ballast system. Was this just the routing of the lines so that passive draining doesn't happen or was this an option to have a factory transfer pump installed?

X ballast is factory 3,000# vs the max 2,300# today. Not sure if it has a crossover though. I'm assuming this means rear bags would be 700# each side vs 350# in the pro ballast.

[ragboy]

We actually have 3 cross pumps, switches our 1400 lb bags setup from one side to the other in under 2 mins.

[mnpracing]

We actually have 3 cross pumps, switches our 1400 lb bags setup from one side to the other in under 2 mins.

do you have dedicated drain pumps on the sacs or does everything drain through the tank drain pumps? We have one x-link pump and two 1,100 gph fill pumps going to each rear corner. Then each rear sac has a dedicated drain pump. I could get faster switch times if I got rid of the dedicated drain pumps on the sacs and used those ports for another cross over, but then the bottleneck comes at the end of the day when we need to dump everything...it would only drain from the tank drain pumps. I have one port still available on the top of each of the rear enzo sacs, but a x-link pump won't work there.

[ragboy]

We use the tank drain pumps, and yes, that is the weakest point on our system at the moment. We have a 15+ minute 5mph ride in so its never an issue for us to wait to dump all. I do have another system we have done, and that we may modify on this boat that allows a pump to EITHER be a cross or dedicated drain. Not sure it is worth all the hoses, though. We are at about hose maximum now, although everything has been bullet proof.