No Tige Surf 'System'

[LKG PH Creek]

Ah, the amount of physics you can learn on a boating forum......Pretty Cool!

[Duncan]

... how we designed the new taps plate to reduce wash on the goofy side ....

Looking forward to getting a hold of one of these retro-fit plates. I hope all goes well with your current retro-fit evals.

[cday76]

We actually have 3 cross pumps, switches our 1400 lb bags setup from one side to the other in under 2 mins.

Are you able to control those pumps via the touchscreen? It looks like the murphey system can be custom configured, but not sure how much custom configuration and what kind of amps the new control board could handle. My 2011 RZ2 had 5 or 10 amps as the max and those reversible pumps can pull as high as 30 amps. I ended up cutting a spot for recessed rocker switches in the rear locker. It worked great, but was a pain running back and forth to the touch screen/rear locker.

My Z3 is hitting the lake test tomorrow and should be here soon. Yet I'm already prepping to dig into making ballast transfers faster. I have a goofy wife and way too many goofy friends.

[EricU]

Are you able to control those pumps via the touchscreen? It looks like the murphey system can be custom configured, but not sure how much custom configuration and what kind of amps the new control board could handle. My 2011 RZ2 had 5 or 10 amps as the max and those reversible pumps can pull as high as 30 amps. I ended up cutting a spot for recessed rocker switches in the rear locker. It worked great, but was a pain running back and forth to the touch screen/rear locker...

Wouldn't a set of relays work in your situation?

[Coop]

Are you able to control those pumps via the touchscreen? It looks like the murphey system can be custom configured, but not sure how much custom configuration and what kind of amps the new control board could handle. My 2011 RZ2 had 5 or 10 amps as the max and those reversible pumps can pull as high as 30 amps. I ended up cutting a spot for recessed rocker switches in the rear locker. It worked great, but was a pain running back and forth to the touch screen/rear locker.

My Z3 is hitting the lake test tomorrow and should be here soon. Yet I'm already prepping to dig into making ballast transfers faster. I have a goofy wife and way too many goofy friends.

I'll ask it again -- why aren't crossover pumps a factory option? This seems particularly important for Tige, who has (at least for now) fully committed to the listed boat method. Since they've chosen not to go with the immediate switch capability of an NSS/Surfgate-type system, at least they could provide something that would cut the switch times as much as possible.

[ragboy]

Are you able to control those pumps via the touchscreen? It looks like the murphey system can be custom configured, but not sure how much custom configuration and what kind of amps the new control board could handle. My 2011 RZ2 had 5 or 10 amps as the max and those reversible pumps can pull as high as 30 amps. I ended up cutting a spot for recessed rocker switches in the rear locker. It worked great, but was a pain running back and forth to the touch screen/rear locker.

My Z3 is hitting the lake test tomorrow and should be here soon. Yet I'm already prepping to dig into making ballast transfers faster. I have a goofy wife and way too many goofy friends.

We control our pumps from our iPhone. Wirelessly. More on that some other time. ;-)

I have been traveling, and had some family drama but I will get those plates posted shortly, sorry for the delay.

as far as it being a factory option, I would say 1 pump could be, MAYBE 2, but never 3. There are just too many hoses all over. It works, and we love it, but we're nuts. It would not be good for the average user. I think one would work well, though.

[duffymahoney]

Tige should use faster pumps. Speaking of pumps, the G23 stock ballast pumps take forever to fill the stock ballas tanks!

[boardman74]

What out there is faster than the 1200 Tsunami's? Looking at wake makers thats the fastest pump available.

The reversible pumps found on the G are rated muck lower than the Tsunami's.

[cday76]

We control our pumps from our iPhone. Wirelessly. More on that some other time. ;-)

I have been traveling, and had some family drama but I will get those plates posted shortly, sorry for the delay.

as far as it being a factory option, I would say 1 pump could be, MAYBE 2, but never 3. There are just too many hoses all over. It works, and we love it, but we're nuts. It would not be good for the average user. I think one would work well, though.

Thanks for the reply on that, I may do the same route with the wireless relays. A friend showed me the bluetooth app controlled relays and I may hook the reversible pumps up to them. I ran one transfer pump on the last boat, but three sounds much better. Especially since I have three of those things collecting dust after the RZ2 sold. I'm a little crazy myself and my last boat was one of those that got a blank stare when I explained how my ballast system work. Changed sides in 4 minutes, but was not a user friendly system. I let a few friends try to change the ballast and I kept blowing fuses and changing impellers when they let the pumps run empty. Needless to say I switched to breakers instead of fuses after that. 30 amp breaker would pop before burning up the impeller.

[chpthril]

What out there is faster than the 1200 Tsunami's? Looking at wake makers thats the fastest pump available.

The reversible pumps found on the G are rated muck lower than the Tsunami's.

We have used a 1600 GPH on a few system, but its body is a fair amount larger than the 1200.

The reversible Jabsco used on the CC's are rated slower AT the pump outlet as compared to the 1200 aerator, but ones you factor in hose distance and lift, which equal head pressure, the flow at the sacs is pretty close.

[chpthril]

Thanks for the reply on that, I may do the same route with the wireless relays. A friend showed me the bluetooth app controlled relays and I may hook the reversible pumps up to them. I ran one transfer pump on the last boat, but three sounds much better. Especially since I have three of those things collecting dust after the RZ2 sold. I'm a little crazy myself and my last boat was one of those that got a blank stare when I explained how my ballast system work. Changed sides in 4 minutes, but was not a user friendly system. I let a few friends try to change the ballast and I kept blowing fuses and changing impellers when they let the pumps run empty. Needless to say I switched to breakers instead of fuses after that. 30 amp breaker would pop before burning up the impeller.

transfer pumps dont function until you have one sac filled. I would consider giving the surf sacs supplemental fill pumps. Now, your water supply is the lake, not a sac that may or may not be already filled.

[shawndoggy]

transfer pumps dont function until you have one sac filled. I would consider giving the surf sacs supplemental fill pumps. Now, your water supply is the lake, not a sac that may or may not be already filled.

That's not exactly true. I use my transfer pump to fill a single sack from bone dry all the time. Step 1: fill both sacks. Step 2: once opposite side has 4-5" of water in it, turn on transfer pump. So it's not quite like filling with two pumps on each sack, but pretty close. It just takes 3 pumps running to do it.

[ragboy]

We use 1100 rules and 1 1/8 inch hose. Our huge sacks with the hard tanks fill in 9 mins with just the one pump. That seems pretty acceptable to me. I am thinking Tige's stock pumps since 2013.5 or so should be the same? Or are the rules better somehow? I got the rules because I heard of reliability and because I liked the way they were built, thinking it would have better priming. I have never had any more priming issues, but I think that is more because at the same time we found the issue with front priming and fixed it. So I am not sure if the rules are really better or not, but I do like the way they are made better.

[Bad05]

That's not exactly true. I use my transfer pump to fill a single sack from bone dry all the time. Step 1: fill both sacks. Step 2: once opposite side has 4-5" of water in it, turn on transfer pump. So it's not quite like filling with two pumps on each sack, but pretty close. It just takes 3 pumps running to do it.

I think that's basically what chpthril was stating, you need water in the opposite sac to utilize the transfer pump since it doesn't connect to the lake as a source of water. So not exactly true but same concept and definitely cuts down the fill/transfer times! I need to add one on my system when I get the new custom sacs!

Is the transfer part of the new stock 15 system?

[chpthril]

That's not exactly true. I use my transfer pump to fill a single sack from bone dry all the time. Step 1: fill both sacks. Step 2: once opposite side has 4-5" of water in it, turn on transfer pump. So it's not quite like filling with two pumps on each sack, but pretty close. It just takes 3 pumps running to do it.

Keep in mind, we are talking about a boat that has a 30 gallon tank under the floor, that fills first. Then, in order to get 4-5 inches of water in a custom sac thats roughly 22"W x 100"L, you are talking another 47 gallons. So thats roughly 4 minutes of waiting, until the transfer pump will be activated. If there was a 2nd 1200 fill pump, you would already have 154 gallons, or 1300 lbs, of ballast in that side, before the transfer pump moved one oz. And this is only 2 pumps running with a combined current draw of about 9A.