Why doesn't tige make a R22 or other?

[kx250frider617]

Im sure it would be fairly cheap and easy to make a R22 and R24 or even a R1 and R3. All these new wake boats are getting ridiculous with their diamond stitching, electronics, and fancy accessories. I board in salt about 90% of the time and this new technology actually pushes me away from a new boat. Right now, the axis A22 is the only boat that really fits my needs. I wish their was some competition.

[rensink]

So what you are looking for is a boat that is very simplistic without all the technology and fancy options?

[boardman74]

My dealer was actually talking with Tony from Tige about the exact thing. An R22. The dealer feels there would be a strong market for it here also. Mastercraft obviously also feels there is a market for a quality built no frills boat. I'm betting you will see something coming from Tige in the near future.

[Timmy!]

All Tige needs to do is go back to making the RZ2 exactly like they did in '07 (like mine) and they would be there.

[gwhite94]

I think there is another thread that mentioned somthing along these lines as well. Have Tige start with base models... non touch screens and such then put popular packages to add... i.e. trim packages. I think Dom.Forte talked about something along those lines. Not a new concept but makes some

[boardman74]

I don't own a R20 because of cost compared to the RZR and because of the Alpha Z tower. If I could opt out of the Tige Touch for gauges and ductile switches I would in a heartbeat!!

[kx250frider617]

Exactly! Salt likes to find its way into every stitch in the upholstery, diamond pattern stitching would be a nightmare. If your hands are damp with salt water, touch screens become useless.

I feel there is a huge market for these budget boats, if they can stay at a budget. But, most are only 20 footers. The older RZ2's would be perfect. The reason why I can't find an older boat is because I need a salt series with closed cooling and galvanized trailer. Those are hard to come by in the used market.

That would be sweet to have the RZ2 hull with basic upholstery, basic hull colors, the R20 perfect pass, and the master craft looking towers. Practically remake the early year RZ series.

[EricU]

Last year I went to our local Tige dealer and checked out the brand new RZ2, Z3 and RZ4s and fell in love, until I saw the prices. Even then I was really thinking about it.

Turned out I found an '08 RZ4 with less than 70 hours on it, added a few goodies (ballast and stereo) and also bought another rental house here in California. No we don't have the latest touch screen and not having one, I don't miss it, nor do my kids or their friends.

Ten years from now, how much will the house be worth vs. the Tige?

I do love the new Tiges, but there should be an option for people that want a new motor, drive etc but don't mind looking at gauges and don't care about sixteen different interior colors. A nice simple white interior looks pretty classic!

But don't go back to the Extreme towers - What a POS! Instead, just bolt on a Sampson (Made in the US) tower.

[kx250frider617]

Really?! I thought the phat towers were the nicest looking ones at the time. I had one made for our old centurion with the large diameter tubing. It was called the extreme phat budde tower with all curved tubes. However, that company has been out of business for years now.

Back in 2001, I remember tige having the limited and riders edition boats. I have the limited 2100v with the upgraded interior. The riders edition had cheap looking triangle shaped interior that exposed the large portions of gelcoat.

[Ewok]

This is a great idea. I love my 2009 because it has the alphaZ tower but regular switches on the dash, and the upholstery is less complicated than the newer ones, but it could be a little more simple to keep the costs down.

[tigeidaho]

If Tige had a more cost effective version of the RZ2 I would be seriously considering it right now. Based on what I saw at the boat show a new RZ2 is 20K to 25K more than a Axis A22 w/ surfgate. The Z1 was even more expensive than the RZ2 Those are supposedly boat show prices. I know that Tige's interior is nicer and there is more storage but I can't afford 80+ thousand for a new boat. Sorry I don't have pics of the Axis price (phone died) but I can say that an A22 with almost all the options can be ordered for around 65K or less.

[boardman74]

Z1 is cheaper than the RZ2. Reason its not in your pricing is the RZ2 is a 2013 holdover(can tell by the PCM Motor) and the Z1 is a 2014(Indmar Motor). Also lets just say thats not exactly aggressive pricing, they are only 5% off MSRP!!! I guarantee your not paying 65K for a fairly loaded Axis A22 at only 5% off MSRP. At that price its probably 20%+ off MSRP. Axis prices are creeping just like anything else. I'm betting MSRP on a loaded a22 with surf gate is way past 65K. I bet its north of 80K, with a purchase price in that 65K range.

[tigeidaho]

Z1 is cheaper than the RZ2. Reason its not in your pricing is the RZ2 is a 2013 holdover(can tell by the PCM Motor) and the Z1 is a 2014(Indmar Motor). Also lets just say thats not exactly aggressive pricing, they are only 5% off MSRP!!! I guarantee your not paying 65K for a fairly loaded Axis A22 at only 5% off MSRP. At that price its probably 20%+ off MSRP. Axis prices are creeping just like anything else. I'm betting MSRP on a loaded a22 with surf gate is way past 65K. I bet its north of 80K, with a purchase price in that 65K range.

Didn't even think about the RZ2 being a holdover. I guess I just assumed they would bring 2014 boats all around. I am fully aware that's not aggressive pricing hence the The crazy thing is since that's a holdover RZ2 I am assuming the 2014 will be even more expensive than the 2013. Say boats do go up 4% a year, that puts the 2014 RZ2 at 90,536.00 actual price. Which means that based on actual price, not some BS MSRP price, the RZ2 is even further away from the A22! I don't ever look at the MSRP, it's a useless number that nobody pays anyway. RB, of course the MSRP on a loaded A22 is way above 65K but that's not what people are paying, so I don't see the relevance? For what it's worth a fully loaded A22 is right about 75K MSRP

[boardman74]

The relevance to what you are saying is, no one pays MSRP for Tige's either. Comparing a RZ2 to a A22 really isn't a fair comparison any way. Compare the price of the RZ2 to the Malibu MXZ22 (a fair comparison) and the Tige price is pretty competitive. Probably $1000's less.

For what it's worth most people on here talk about buying their boats at very competitive prices from Tige dealers. Prices similar to what you are talking on the Axis. Just because one dealer wants yo stand at MSRP on their price doesn't mean Tige's as a whole aren't competitive. For me here its the opposite. The Malibu/ Axis dealer sells for about that 5% off MSRP number and the Tige dealer earned my business by having competitive pricing and great service!!

[talltigeguy]

Every dealer likes to negotiate differently. Seems clear that in the most recent pictures, the dealer likes to sticker shock you with 87K for a year old RZ2, then you feel great when you hammer them down to 77K. Other dealers may just advertise close to that and not budge with negotiations. If they really get 87 for a year old RZ2, then that is a bonus for them. There are some people who may just consider that decent when they walk away from the MC booth.

Sort of back to the main topic, Dom stated clearly that his experience has been that any time he orders a stripped down version, it is hard to sell. I would be curious to see Tige's sales numbers for R20 vs. RZR, since that is basically what we are talking about. I know a lot of buyers on this board state that they were drawn in by the R20, but by the time they saw various options they wanted, it was almost an RZR anyway, so they just went with the RZR. It would be very interesting to see if an R22 vs. RZ2 would be similar.

Does anyone have a feel for how many R20's are actually out there?