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    #16
    Strictly speaking, it doesn't matter what kind of charging system (magneto or alternator) you have. It's all about how the kill switch prevents spark. I thankfully haven't had a reason to dig into that circuit on my PCM EX343 engine, but on the Mercury engine in my former jetboat the normally open switch was wired to all six CDI modules that drove the spark plugs. When the lanyard was removed, the switch closed and grounded that CDI connection, instantly killing spark on all cylinders. That was as direct a kill circuit as possible because it bypassed everything... no matter what anyone or anything else (such as the ECU) said, that engine wasn't going to run anymore.

    That same CDI control line was tied into by a few other safety systems on the boat including one of the two rev limiters, the keyswitch, and the throttle lever's neutral switch. It is a very convenient way to handle the "engine kill" action because all you have to do is ground one wire.

    I strongly suspect your engine has this same type of kill circuit because of its simplicity and reliability - both key advantages in anything safety related. What you did by rewiring the switch was go from the normally closed terminals (open when the lanyard is on, so the spark circuit isn't grounded and the engine is allowed to run) to the normally open terminals (open when the lanyard is OFF). If you're curious, try disconnecting one or both wires. If the engine will start and run, it's as I've described above. If it won't, then the switch is being used in some sort of circuit-completion approach.

    (Note that the circuit-completion approach would be even safer than the way my Mercury worked because it would alert the operator to a failed or disconnected kill switch. Anything that relies on an open circuit to run will silently tolerate a failed or disconnected switch, not a good thing for a safety feature. But it isn't as inherently simple to configure a closed-to-run system, so I bet we're still looking at simple ground-to-kill circuits.)
    Last edited by IDBoating; 10-18-2013, 02:08 PM.

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      #17
      With an EFI engine, you want to kill the fuel supply. If you kill the spark and leave the fuel supply, you have the potential to flood the engine cranking it. Once spark is back, you could go boom.
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        #18
        Originally posted by chpthril View Post
        With an EFI engine, you want to kill the fuel supply. If you kill the spark and leave the fuel supply, you have the potential to flood the engine cranking it. Once spark is back, you could go boom.
        Good point. All I can tell you is that this Mercury engine was EFI and its kill switch operated by grounding the CDI's. No association with the fuel system at all. (I had a problem with the circuit at one point so I got painfully familiar with it!) I don't recall any association between the kill circuit and the starting system, but maybe it also prevented the starter from engaging and thereby prevented the fuel buildup you're describing.

        Another thought: It occurs to me that HOW you kill the fuel supply to an EFI engine would make a difference. If you just turn off the high pressure fuel pump, there could still be enough pressure in the fuel rail to allow the engine to keep running for a short while. Killing the spark, though, instantly removes the engine's ability to generate power leaving both load and friction working to stop things quickly. I guess the kill circuit could disable the injectors - that would satisfy both requirements - but now you're coordinating with the ECU and the safety system is getting more complex.

        I would be interested to know how the kill switch is tied into the late model marine engines. Maybe Dom can chime in...?

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          #19
          Depending on where the ignition circuit is interrupted, the supply can also be disabled at the same time. With a typical EFI/ECM system, the fuel pump relay and injector pulse is NOT energized, until the ECM see's engine RPM from the crank (or cam) position sensor. this is also the first stage of the ignition/spark circuit.
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            #20
            Originally posted by chpthril View Post
            With a typical EFI/ECM system, the fuel pump relay and injector pulse is NOT energized, until the ECM see's engine RPM from the crank (or cam) position sensor.
            But that would not prevent fuel injection with spark disabled in a "simple" system, since if the engine is cranking the CPS will see pulses and therefore the fuel pumps will be powered up. Thus it would still be possible for fuel to be dumped into the cylinders with no spark, resulting in the dangerous situation you mentioned earlier. There would need to be some additional connection between the kill circuit and the HPFP or injector drivers. I'm sure there is something, I just don't know about it.

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              #21
              Originally posted by WABoating View Post
              But that would not prevent fuel injection with spark disabled in a "simple" system, since if the engine is cranking the CPS will see pulses and therefore the fuel pumps will be powered up. Thus it would still be possible for fuel to be dumped into the cylinders with no spark, resulting in the dangerous situation you mentioned earlier. There would need to be some additional connection between the kill circuit and the HPFP or injector drivers. I'm sure there is something, I just don't know about it.
              Read my whole post. You didnt quote the part that answers that. If the ignition circuit is interrupted in the right spot, the ECM will not see RPM, so no fuel is needed.
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                #22
                I did read that, but didn't interpret it that way. Sorry.

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