2014 Changes? Who knows what

[sotexwake]

Extra thru holes are for the second bilge pump that has been added into the 14's i believe.

[barry1me]

According to my dealer the reason for the extra thru hole on each corner is that with the new larger fill lines and the 1200 gpm pumps it created to much pressure in the sacs/tanks for just one just one drain so they added an extra to relieve pressure.....kind of a bummer that there is not an extra fill/drain pump.

[boardman74]

So what did they just put a "Y" in the drain line? Other wise how can you have 2 drain thru hulls with still only 1 pump?

[barry1me]

So what did they just put a "Y" in the drain line? Other wise how can you have 2 drain thru hulls with still only 1 pump?

I meant to say they added an extra vent, not an extra drain hole. So there are two vents for each location now.

[Dandy]

This makes sense. In our mid year 2013 we have the larger pumps/lines and always end up with alot of air "trapped" in the top of the sac. We generally have to wait for the air to escape then fill again to actually get the sacs full.

Does anyone know if Tige is the type of company that will cover an upgrade on mid year set ups like ours under "warranty"? This is obviously a design flaw on their behalf and have created a solution. I would like to think they would allow the update as a covered situation for customer satisfaction/customer PR. Any thoughts from previous situations?

[Bad05]

This makes sense. In our mid year 2013 we have the larger pumps/lines and always end up with alot of air "trapped" in the top of the sac. We generally have to wait for the air to escape then fill again to actually get the sacs full.

Does anyone know if Tige is the type of company that will cover an upgrade on mid year set ups like ours under "warranty"? This is obviously a design flaw on their behalf and have created a solution. I would like to think they would allow the update as a covered situation for customer satisfaction/customer PR. Any thoughts from previous situations?

This is an interesting point and I'll have to check back to see how it turns out. The upgrade seems easy and the parts inexpensive....if they don't do it for you, I'm sure it could be a quick DIY!

[chpthril]

So it sounds like the tank and surf sac each have their own vent t-hull

[barry1me]

So it sounds like the tank and surf sac each have their own vent t-hull

if that is the case then how could a piggy back system work then?

[chpthril]

This makes sense. In our mid year 2013 we have the larger pumps/lines and always end up with alot of air "trapped" in the top of the sac. We generally have to wait for the air to escape then fill again to actually get the sacs full.

Does anyone know if Tige is the type of company that will cover an upgrade on mid year set ups like ours under "warranty"? This is obviously a design flaw on their behalf and have created a solution. I would like to think they would allow the update as a covered situation for customer satisfaction/customer PR. Any thoughts from previous situations?

The cause is not so much the result of going to a 1200 GPH pump, but rather where they locate the vent hose on the surf sac. From the beginning of the Surf and Pro options, Tige was using a 1000 GPH pump. Side by side, these 2 pumps have about the same flow rate at the sac. This is not enough to create the issue. What we have found is that the vent line is located on rearward port of the sac and the fill is on the forward port. This puts the vent under water as the sac fills, because the boat is not listed over and bow high. The air is trapped forward in the sac, where the fill line is.

[chpthril]

if that is the case then how could a piggy back system work then?

Havent thought about it simply because what others call a "piggyback" sac, juts plane suck when used in an aerator pump setup.

[Ewok]

I have a hybrid piggy back setup and there are unintended consequences to that setup. For starters, most with a heavily listed surf setup will see passive draining out of the vent and drain lines if they are plumbed to the same side of the boat as the surf weight so they must be routed to the opposite side of the boat. In my system I have the vent line for the factory hard tank attatched to an extra fill port on my 1100lb sac sitting on top of the hard tank. The sac also has it's own fill pump but the vent line from the hard tank (standard piggy back style system) is just extra fill capacity. The sac and hard tank also have their own drain pumps but I have also noticed that my hard tank drain pump helps drain the sac as well due to a siphon effect of the vent line from the hard tank to the sac. I've confirmed that I'm getting passive draining from the sac, through the vent line to the hard tank, through the fill pump and out through the hull. In order to fix this I'm going to put a check valve in line for the hard tank fills and that should solve that problem. Another issue with my setup is that without an open vent for the hard tank, when the sac is empty, the hard tank drain pump is actually pulling water thorugh the fill pumps. It keeps the hard tanks full and will just continue to circulate water from the lake, into the hard tank, and out into the lake again. The only way to get the hard tank to empty is drain while the boat is on plane and there is no water to suck though the fill line or disconnect the vent line from the hard tank to the sac. Right now I'm just disconnecting the vent line after the sac is sucked flat to the bottom of the locker.

Based on my experience it seems that having a seperate vent for the hard tank is not a bad idea as long as the fill pumps for the sac meet the desired fill times. My fill and drain times are pretty quick for me, about 6-7 min to fill, but it's got room to improve and I'll take the time to work on it someday.

[Stingreye]

Another issue with my setup is that without an open vent for the hard tank, when the sac is empty, the hard tank drain pump is actually pulling water thorugh the fill pumps. It keeps the hard tanks full and will just continue to circulate water from the lake, into the hard tank, and out into the lake again. The only way to get the hard tank to empty is drain while the boat is on plane and there is no water to suck though the fill line or disconnect the vent line from the hard tank to the sac. Right now I'm just disconnecting the vent line after the sac is sucked flat to the bottom of the locker.

Based on my experience it seems that having a seperate vent for the hard tank is not a bad idea as long as the fill pumps for the sac meet the desired fill times. My fill and drain times are pretty quick for me, about 6-7 min to fill, but it's got room to improve and I'll take the time to work on it someday.

Interesting. If you T'd the vent line running from the hard tank into the Sac and ran another line to the thru hull and added a check valve so it would not allow air out but allow it to suck air in would that work? It seems like the air in that vent line coming in would prevent the hard tank from sucking through the fill pump on your sac. Then you would not vent the hard tank when filling (fills sac for faster fills) but it gets vented while draining to prevent pulling in lake water.

[chpthril]

You have to mind check-valves in vent lines when hard tanks are involved. The hard tank need to be able to draw air in while draining. The air replaces the exiting water, preventing the hard tank from collapsing.

[Surf406]

Spent all weeknd on my new 2014 rz2 with the vx and I have the pro ballast plus we installed 1400 Enzo in each rear locker and everything fills off the Tige touch we had to adj the timers and that's about it the wave was wicked awesome long and wer still playing with different ideas but all in it was awesome Tige has done an excellent job with the vx we went wake boarding as well and I gotta say that with vx for wakeboarders is hands down the biggest air iv ever got at 75ft out really rampy. Sorry back on point. My boat has the new inmar engine w is super torquey and under my snap in carpet is sea deck w looks awesome I like the charcoal grab rails they look better than the alum finish the MAGIC button is sweet you can run all the stuff in the boat without starting it really a great idea. I noticed in the bow they changed the seat cushions a little bit around the speaker area and that all iv really noticed so far in the boat. There's a grab handle down by the floor on the passenger side I think it's gonna be a shin smasher myself. Hope this helps

[barry1me]

Spent all weeknd on my new 2014 rz2 with the vx and I have the pro ballast plus we installed 1400 Enzo in each rear locker and everything fills off the Tige touch we had to adj the timers and that's about it the wave was wicked awesome long and wer still playing with different ideas but all in it was awesome Tige has done an excellent job with the vx we went wake boarding as well and I gotta say that with vx for wakeboarders is hands down the biggest air iv ever got at 75ft out really rampy. Sorry back on point. My boat has the new inmar engine w is super torquey and under my snap in carpet is sea deck w looks awesome I like the charcoal grab rails they look better than the alum finish the MAGIC button is sweet you can run all the stuff in the boat without starting it really a great idea. I noticed in the bow they changed the seat cushions a little bit around the speaker area and that all iv really noticed so far in the boat. There's a grab handle down by the floor on the passenger side I think it's gonna be a shin smasher myself. Hope this helps

pictures or it didnt happen....lol. Also post a video of that wakesurf wave. How long did it take to fill stock rear tank and PNP sack?