2014 Changes? Who knows what

[Timmy!]

...long time untill they went bankrupt and screwed over Indmar, thus Ilmar was created.

Am I missing a joke there? Ilmor is owned by Roger Penske and has been around for a long time. Maybe you are calling Indmar Ilmar now due to quality issues?

[barry1me]

Am I missing a joke there? Ilmor is owned by Roger Penske and has been around for a long time. Maybe you are calling Indmar Ilmar now due to quality issues?

I was told from several people that MC owed Indmar $3M in 2010 time frame and was never paid due to the financial restructuring. I cant honestly say if this is 100% true but I have been told this from several people in the industry. It made since for MC to go with Ilmar due to trying to keep cost low by keeping the business 'in house' with Ilmor.

[boardman74]

No change to the tower that I saw. Have been in quite a few 2014's. Tower looks unchanged.

[boardman74]

@ Mike I do not know what the extra thru hull is for. Brandon couldn't tell me either when I asked him.

[Timmy!]

Are you just misspelling Ilmor or is there an Ilmar? The only reason I ask is because you reference them "creating Ilmar" and if that is a misspelling, it's also not accurate at all! Ilmor has been around since 1984 and building marine engines since 2002.

[barry1me]

misspelled.

[mnpracing]

@ Mike I do not know what the extra thru hull is for. Brandon couldn't tell me either when I asked him.

I'm heading up there tonight. I'll poke around the 2014 to see if I can tell what they're for. I'm hoping that it's for extra pumps....

[Timmy!]

I heard that they went to Tsunami 1200 gph pumps too.

[boardman74]

They did go to 1200's on the fill side on the bigger boats, but that was early 2013. These are empty thru hulls I thought maybe an extra drain pump for the surf bag, but that wasn't it.

[barry1me]

I wonder if the extra thru hull was for a heater!?

[Timmy!]

Is it on every boat? I wonder if someone just punched too many holes?

[boardman74]

All the late 2013's and now 14's I have seen at the dealer. I first saw it on a late 2013 RZR.

[dom w. forte]

As to fuel economy , PCM is not the reason, the Tige hull is the reason, the same PCM engines are in the Nautiques and they dont come anywhere close to the Tige economy apples to apples boats!

[boardman74]

I guess we will see. I hope you are right. I know exactly what I was burning with the PCM and we will see what the same boat burns next year with the indmar. I hope it doesn't go down.

[JohnnieMo]

I may be trivializing this, but the amount of fuel an engine burns is determined by the amount of work it is doing. More work equals more fuel. It occurs like larger engines burn more fuel, but it is because they have a higher potential to do work, and people use them as such. There can be minor changes in efficiency of the engine itself (i.e. design of internals, weight etc.) or the air/fuel ratio can just be wrong (dumping in too much gas), but otherwise an increase in fuel usage pretty much comes with an increase in horsepower.

I agree with Dom that it is the hull that really makes the difference as it reduces the work required.

I would think the same block should use the same amount of fuel in an apples to apples comparison, so long as it is tuned properly. But hey, I work with software for a living, so what do I know :P