Testing on All Models with the 2014 Production VX.

[Duncan]

We also have a custom taps plate that helps keep goofy clean and allow wake to adjust down a bit more.

wimper ... looking forward to seeing this!

[NHarp1]

Rag boy, your expertise helps so much on this site! That's for the videos to help us make a sound decision on the VX. Keep up the hard work.

[barry1me]

The VX also needs to be modified. Basically, to accommodate the new angle the part that mates to the hull has to be modified to match and mate properly.



We use our own custom sacs, bigger than the wakemakers ones, and better fit. Fill front pro full, surf rear full and surf opposite to 10 degrees or so, and goofy you have less in opposite, needs like 12-13 to clean up. That is for 15+ feet of depth. We also have a custom taps plate that helps keep goofy clean and allow wake to adjust down a bit more.

good info....so the Z3 likes 12-13mph for the cleanest wake? How do you compare that to when you had your RZ2?

[mnpracing]

good info....so the Z3 likes 12-13mph for the cleanest wake? How do you compare that to when you had your RZ2?

I'm assuming 12-13 degrees list?


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[Booms]

Holey Moley I want a VX for my 08 RZ2.

[barry1me]

Holey Moley I want a VX for my 08 RZ2.

let me reclarify for you.....you want a correct VX (2014 design) for your RZ2, with the latter version you would be happier without the VX.

[ragboy]

I'm assuming 12-13 degrees list?

Yes, I meant 12-13 degrees of list, we surf at 10.8 - 11.2 MPH. The goofy wake can sometimes be a bit more washy at 10.8, but cleans up at 11. 10.8 is fine on regular.

Holey Moley I want a VX for my 08 RZ2.

If I had an RZ2, after that demo with only 300 lbs extra, I would be knocking down doors to get one. I would steal a frickin mold if I had to. No joke. RJ is still jonesing.

let me reclarify for you.....you want a correct VX (2014 design) for your RZ2, with the latter version you would be happier without the VX.

I don't quite understand this, maybe I am reading wrong. IMHO, if you have an RZ2 without one, you would want to try one with one, set properly of course.

[loudelectronics]

If I had an RZ2, after that demo with only 300 lbs extra, I would be knocking down doors to get one. I would steal a frickin mold if I had to. No joke. RJ is still jonesing.

I helped setup a rz2 this weekend. Wow. What an awesome wake with so little weight. Had a 1100 filled in back corner as much as it would fill, 400 under the seat, front filled (pro ballast) and goofy side 30% full. had 6 people in the boat. Wake was amazing and no sacs on the floor or seats. Was not as long as the z3 but was as big and very hard. Could generate lots of speed and pop of the lip very nicely. Tons of fun.

I would definitly go with the vx on the rz2. It is tons of fun.

[supremedevice]

The biggest question I have now is this: did Tige knowingly install the 2013 production brackets at what they thought was the correct angle? Thereafter people complained about the performance and finally Ragboy stepped in as a substitute R&D team to finally determined a way to mod the system until it worked? If so, that is a HUGE blunder on Tige's part, and says a lot about the current way the company is being operated. From a consumer standpoint it appears they rushed to get a surf system out leaving quality control as a secondary effort. I don't mean to get controversial here but this is a big deal for Tige.

The only other possibility is that it was a slight manufacturing error that had simply gone unseen. This seems unlikely as it spans across all models and sounds as if the VX AND the brackets need to be modded.

What a clusterfuk, either way.

[JohnnieMo]

So just to clarify, if a guy was buying new with Vx, the best surf boat is:
(a) RZ2
(b) Z3
(c) It depends

?

[Timmy!]

Holey Moley I want a VX for my 08 RZ2.

That's a lot of work! You will have to have some gelcoat work done since none of the brackets will work. Heck, even Squid had to have gelcoat work done on his R20 to make the VX work since the R20 has different brackets than the RZR.

[Duncan]

If I had an RZ2, after that demo with only 300 lbs extra, I would be knocking down doors to get one. I would steal a frickin mold if I had to. No joke. RJ is still jonesing.

Sure, make my jones worse. Still waiting for someone to pop for a VX and figure out how to mount it to a pre-2011 RZ2.

[loudelectronics]

The biggest question I have now is this: did Tige knowingly install the 2013 production brackets at what they thought was the correct angle? Thereafter people complained about the performance and finally Ragboy stepped in as a substitute R&D team to finally determined a way to mod the system until it worked? If so, that is a HUGE blunder on Tige's part, and says a lot about the current way the company is being operated. From a consumer standpoint it appears they rushed to get a surf system out leaving quality control as a secondary effort. I don't mean to get controversial here but this is a big deal for Tige.

The only other possibility is that it was a slight manufacturing error that had simply gone unseen. This seems unlikely as it spans across all models and sounds as if the VX AND the brackets need to be modded.

What a clusterfuk, either way.

I think the biggest thing to note here is that Tige is stepping up and taking care of everyone that has the VX. They realized there was a mistake that they did not catch before it went out on all the boats.

Yes it sucks, but it is being taken care of. WE really cant complain cause it does not cause down time and easy to take the vx off until it is fixed. The boat with out the vx is still a great wake that other companies just cant replicate. Teh vx just makes it even better.

I believe they are going through some growing pains right now because there building more boats than they ever have before. I believe production has almost tripled at one point. It is not an excuse for mistakes but it is something that is a factor. We buy a boat and want it within a good time frame. They do there best to meet that time frame. All while still trying to give us the stuff we want and investing in RnD to keep up with all the changes in the market place right now. I do find it amusing though, there are so many new technologies coming to the table with surf gate, nss, Cats, etc. Yes they may help with wake but deep down they are just there to keep up to a boat that already makes a great wake with just some fat sacs. Just people like the new gadgets and get caught up with them. They are just a want, not a need.

So yes there was a screw up at the machine shop but it is being handled, and will be all good going forward.

Surf On!

[loudelectronics]

So just to clarify, if a guy was buying new with Vx, the best surf boat is:
(a) RZ2
(b) Z3
(c) It depends

?

I say depends. The z3 is longer wake and you have a bit more room to drive. The RZ2 is just a solid wake that is easy to make. Really comes down to budget and the type of boat you like.

I like the Z3 better because it is deeper, drier and more room. The RZ2 has less room, pretty easy to swamp the bow. Just have to find out what fits your fancy better.

[Timmy!]

After driving my RZ2 and the Z3 competition boat from the EWT's back to back on Saturday, I will still take an RZ2 for overall driving/riding. The Z3 has an awesome wave but dang does it drive big. I would love to see a comparison on the turning radius of the Z3 vs RZ2, it's a lot different! Once you pick up a fallen rider a few times, you get used to it but going from the RZ2 and straight into the Z3 is rough! LOL!