2014 Rumors?

[cpropes2005]

I think the benefit of NSS or Surfgate for the hardcore surfers who want the biggest baddest wave possible is still yet to be proven. I have no idea if you could make as good of a wave with a heavy evenly weighted boat and a wake diverter as you could with a heavy listed boat.

I will say though that the theory of delayed convergence definitely works and on my 22V with a makeshift surf system it produces a very fun wave. It is true that I might be able to get any even better wave if I put my rub rail in the water but me and my passengers/other drivers are much more comfortable with an evenly weighted boat. I think this is the main appeal of these systems and the ability to quickly switch from side to side and from surfing to wakeboarding is just an additional benefit. I agree that Tige needs something to compete because I think the majority of potential boat buyers will put a lot of value on the added safety and convenience these systems provide.

[Duncan]

Physical prototypes are under construction literally as I type this, so it's getting more real every day. This has been a huge investment of time, money, and effort and now that it's becoming "real" it's really exciting. One teaser: It involves electronics and software.

Hmmm, I cannot wait for this reveal!!

Re wake devices, I was nothing but disappointed with the Bu gate in person. Fast switch would be great but not at the expense of the best shape/push wave you can make.

[Timmy!]

If WA is designing something, the R&D is going to be very thorough! Can't wait to see what it is!

[loudelectronics]

All I gotta say is that the xstar and g23 better look out. There are going to be some happy wakeboarders out there. Not that the z3 has anything to hide cause its wakeboard wake is phenomenal.

[chpthril]

I think the benefit of NSS or Surfgate for the hardcore surfers who want the biggest baddest wave possible is still yet to be proven. I have no idea if you could make as good of a wave with a heavy evenly weighted boat and a wake diverter as you could with a heavy listed boat.

I will say though that the theory of delayed convergence definitely works and on my 22V with a makeshift surf system it produces a very fun wave. It is true that I might be able to get any even better wave if I put my rub rail in the water but me and my passengers/other drivers are much more comfortable with an evenly weighted boat. I think this is the main appeal of these systems and the ability to quickly switch from side to side and from surfing to wakeboarding is just an additional benefit. I agree that Tige needs something to compete because I think the majority of potential boat buyers will put a lot of value on the added safety and convenience these systems provide.

Evenly weighted as in stern heavy/bow high as opposed to listed over to one side? Since joining the wake surf community in 06, I cant recall hearing of a single listed over surfing related boat incident.

[Ks]

I think some guys here are missing my point with the "Surf gate" wish...

For me, I surf 2 ways:

#1 Out with the boys, build the biggest wave we can and practice new **** all day.. I love days like this and I have no problem with the boat listing and kissing the water... Like I said, 8 hours in our "office" during the week day when you have the water to yourself... Its perfect! we go year round like this..

#2 Weekends in the summer with the wife and kids and the "friends" If you can convince your wife & kids to sit in a corner or better yet drive the boat listing over for the full day, just to get "push" well then hats off to you!..

On #2 days, SG would be great, go for quick surf, switch sides for kids or guests, go boarding.. All with a flip of the switch, to me it makes these days much more productive and keeps the evil eye's to a min... Happy wife happy life... On day's like this Im not looking to go out and "kill it" Im looking to have fun and go for a surf while the family cheers you on.

Maybe im in the 1% club on the above (#2)?


I have not ridden SG or NSS, but I will if Tige doesn't have something in the works for 2014... i have talked to people who have rode the two systems and stalked the other user forums for details and user feedback.. It's very apparent that NSS and SG are working, yes there are issues, yes to "dial the wave in" for the dude sessions you need to add more weight but I am prepared to do that, no different then now with my Tige when I surf #1 style.

I just think it serves its purpose and is here to stay, it's introducing more people to wake surfing...it's now super easy set up for a guest or a child that has no intension of dropping the rope the 1st few times, let them enjoy the experience, instead of having to drain off and re set for new riders that are either goofy or reg.. ( assuming your setup for the other)


It's kinda funny... 7 years ago when I bought my 1st of 3 Tige's everyone on here including Tige Canuck (AKA Hyperactive Calgary Dealer) was preaching "taps" and the " we do not need extra ballast to make a quality wake".. Let the hull & Tap's do the work for you. Now everyone is saying the opposite with: "There is no replacement for displacement" extra Surf ballast. ..LOL and the Tige dealers themselves are now bashing the other makes for engineering a great offering... again kinda funny... last time I heard a dealer say "Band-aid" was the Mastercraft dealer talking about taps..LOL.. O how times change... in the boat world.

My 2 cents.

[tigecanuck]

It's kinda funny... 7 years ago when I bought my 1st of 3 Tige's everyone on here including Tige Canuck (AKA Hyperactive Calgary Dealer) was preaching "taps" and the " we do not need extra ballast to make a quality wake".. Let the hull & Tap's do the work for you. Now everyone is saying the opposite with: "There is no replacement for displacement" extra Surf ballast. ..LOL and the Tige dealers themselves are now bashing the other makes for engineering a great offering... again kinda funny... last time I heard a dealer say "Band-aid" was the Mastercraft dealer talking about taps..LOL.. O how times change... in the boat world.

Well, that is not exactly what we have been "preaching" at Hyperactive Watersports since becoming a Tige dealer in 2001. After 21 years of a focused dedication to selling watersports gear and then towboats, we are very familiar with the types of purchasers that invest their hard earned recreational dollars into a towboat, and they are not usually the hard core riders that typically needed heavily ballasted hulls when wakeboarding was growing in popularity. The logic we "preached" is that TAPS alone would produce enough of a wake to satisfy most weekend-warriors, and it must have as we sold hundreds of boats without ballast to families whom in most cases still have those boats. And "weekend-warriors" is not a negative term in this context but typically described families that enjoy boating and all of the on-the-water activities that we do with our towboats. Hard-core riders, yes they needed ballast, and having Tige add robust ballast systems to our boats has been a great addition for advanced wakeboarders and wakesurfing. The great news for us was that the Convex V hull with ballast added easily produces great surfwakes for both left and right foot forward riders with little dialing in. Once again this is great for all of the people learning to wakesurf and enjoying it as part of their overall watersports activities. It is great to see a replay of the growth of a new on-the-water sport in wakesurfing just like wakeboarding did a decade ago, and this time Tige is a serious contender to play with the good old boys (or at least the investment bankers that now own some of the towboat companies that the were once owned by passionate boat builders).

Yes, I enjoy that term "Band-aid" too, as the mc sales professional loved calling a TAPS plate a Band-Aid as defined in the "How to sell a mastercraft by bashing all other towboat brands, handbook", and now they have three of them tacked on to some of their hulls. This is a competitive market niche of the boat building industry and it is always competitive interesting. What I will "preach" as a dedicated Tige dealer is that the brand is second to no other and getting better every model year. Obviously Ks is passionate about towboat ownership having moved to boat #4 in seven years. That fact alone is good for all towboat builders. I hope you enjoy your new ride and have a great summer.

John Kittler
Hyperactive Watersports

[dom w. forte]

I would like some imput on the steering of a Malibu with surfgate, ive been hearing that the boat is very difficult to pull into a turn dependent on direction of the gates, which would make since to me because its like having 2 rudder systems , has anyone on the forum driven one yet and tryed ro steer in either direction while under way?

[dom w. forte]

I would like some imput on the steering of a Malibu with surfgate, ive been hearing that the boat is very difficult to pull into a turn dependent on direction of the gates, which would make since to me because its like having 2 rudder systems , has anyone on the forum driven one yet and tryed to steer in either direction while under way?

[cpropes2005]

Not sure on the Malibu but the gate setup on my boat did make it hard to steer against the deployed gate. It was difficult to turn against it especially at idle but I think the Malibus have an auto retract to help with that issue. This is the main reason I think the NSS is a better system.

Almost all of my trips on the lake are like Ks described his #2 days. Most of the family and friends we boat with are not hardcore surfers or wakeboarders so they don't really understand the obsessive need to have the best wake/wave possible. They just want to be on the water and have a good time. I used to be much more willing to make people move around the boat, step over bags, etc in order for me to get the perfect wake but I have started to become much more relaxed about that. With one kid under 2 and another one due any day now I am usually lucky if I get a set in at all which is still fine with me because I love being out on the water even if it is just cruising around in the boat. All of that just to say that convenience is king for me and they way I use my boat.

With regards to my post about additional safety that was a poor choice of words. Chpthrl is right I have never heard of single accident caused by a heavily listed boat so I have no reason to believe it is any less safe than any other boating activity. My main point was that even if it is technically safe it makes my passengers uncomfortable. Like I said before most of the people we have out are not big surfers and are used to sitting level in boats so it makes them nervous when I fill up 1000lbs of ballast on one side and then ask them all to sit over there as well. Even if the wake is awesome the nervousness of the crew seems to make the trip a little less fun for everyone so if I can add a device that will give me 90% of the wake and keep everyone in the boat comfortable it is a no brainer for me. This is just what works best for me and my family at the moment but I think like most people on here I am constantly looking to improve our boating experience with tweaks and upgrades so as time goes on and interests change all of the above is subject to change.

[Ks]

Well, that is not exactly what we have been "preaching" at Hyperactive Watersports since becoming a Tige dealer in 2001. After 21 years of a focused dedication to selling watersports gear and then towboats, we are very familiar with the types of purchasers that invest their hard earned recreational dollars into a towboat, and they are not usually the hard core riders that typically needed heavily ballasted hulls when wakeboarding was growing in popularity.
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John Kittler
Hyperactive Watersports

Isn't that like calling the kettle black? In your 1st post? That is the exact same reason you bashed Malibu- 1st with the band aid comment and then again with the "can't drop the rope comment" Malibu also knows the same market you do...they realizes that weekend warriors spend 100K on boats to have fun.

instead of pitching the sale, lets stay on topic and use this thread to showcase the new stuff for 2014. as a dealer you can throw us a bone..


Yes, I am passionate, and I to also want to see Tige firmly on top of the surf market, hence this thread.. But I don't want to push a ton of water from left to right multiple times a day on my weekends.. I hope Tige listens, and John ( as I have also told Jon @ Redline) It's your job as the best dealers in Western Canada to tell them what your Customers are asking for.

[loudelectronics]

I think that the fact is, Tige is now a leader in a new market and the other brands like Bu, MC and Nautique got caught sitting on there hands. Instead of investing in new hulls to make better surf wakes they add gizmos to make it better. Since even with these gizmos there wakes are still not as strong as the Tige, centurion type hulls.

I think they are great concepts and if used on a tige even would further amplify the capability of the tige wake. We surf all types of brands... MC has the absolute worse surf wake. Malibu can be made to look pretty but offers now push and have to ride so close behind the boat. The new G23 is a contender for sure though NSS or not. Loaded right it can make a good surf wake as the hull is deeper and the side of the boat is designed to increase water pressure and then release to make a nice wake. However is takes a bunch more gas to do this than a Tige and wake still not as long.

This all said, the new VX is a gizmo to keep up with marketing. It may work but not needed on a tige boat. Honestly I can make a better wake with less weight with out it than I can with it. It takes a crap load of weight to make a good wake with the vx. With just a stock pro ballast and vx on a z3 the wake is very similar to a malibu which is not exciting and I was heavily dissapointed after surfing it for the first time. Now after adding the required weight the wake is nice and super long. So it increases the capality of the boat as you are adding length to it but start running out of room for the weight required to make it work. Plus engine has to work super hard. So the virdict is still out on the VX for me at this time. I think is needs more rocker to let the rear settle into the water more. However just like the 24V I have, with out the vx the surf wake is made pretty easy and is absolute killer. Can surf three easily. Plus the wakeboard wake behind the z3 is even better than the 24V which will rival any MC, Bu or SAN. Need some more time with the vx to really get it dialed in. I am close and made a superb wake on the weekend but I still think I can get it to be even better.

Now regarding 2014... Tige does not stand still that is for sure. I was swore not to say so I wont but what I will is that I am pretty sure that it is going to move some water for the wakeboarders. It will be pretty tough to beat the z3 for surf wake I think but only time will tell...

[Timmy!]

Looks like Centurion released their new changes for 2014 today:
http://www.centurionboats.com/news/n...ts-system.html

[Timmy!]

One thing that I love about Tigé is that they would never release a boat with those cheezy steering column controls that Centurion put in there.

[Duncan]

Looks like Centurion released their new changes for 2014 today:
http://www.centurionboats.com/news/n...ts-system.html

Nice looking boat (a little generic) and interesting technology. When we bought our RZ2 in 2009, I know Tige was working on a ballast fill system similar to the Centurion Ramfill but they evidently could not work out the bugs. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a water intake system rather than pumps.

The so-called Cats fin is pretty darn cool -- hard to argue with such quick wakeboard wake tuning. I love our RZ2 but it is a "tippy" hull (making it a great surf boat) leading to sensitive wakeboard wake. I am always fiddling with water and people to get a symmetric wake back there. A tweaking fin would be awesome (I wonder what impact it has on surf wake?).

I agree with Timmy! -- get those controls off the steering column!!