Purchased 2009 Z1 and Engine Issues before it hits the water?

[dom w. forte]

RW that sucks, but you are correct there is usually no recourse with a private seller. As is where is and buyer beware. I think the OP only chance is with the dealer that winterized the boat if there is paper work for that. I think from a legal stand point technically the seller would have to go back after the dealer as they are the one who had the work done and paid for it. Thats a lot of work for a guy who already has your money and lives 1000 miles away. Pretty easy to just not answer the phone.

Dom, his boat is sitting at a very reputable top 10 Tige dealer. Their service department is top notch and they do things the right way. The place has been is business(not always Tige) for over 100 years and I know many people who are lifelong customers. I think its pretty poor form by you, as another dealer, to immediately try to run down the dealer who I know for a fact is working hard to help the OP.

I wasnt trying to run down the dealer , if thats the way it came across im sorry , what I was saying is the info isnt complete to go directly to pulling motor , I was looking for more info of the inspection to see why the engine was being pulled, cause from description it didnt make sense.

[dmbisbest]

Still waiting on the quote from the local dealer to get everything put back together (taking forever!). I will post a more complete story once all the pieces come in. Couple of lessons learned already, that is for sure.

[dmbisbest]

So the plot thickens here... First, to fill everyone in on the story thus far:

1) I buy boat in January after seller and dealership tell me "that is a clean boat", "we have done all of the service", "like new condition", etc
2) Take it to local Tige dealership that puts the boat on the hose and finds that it throttles rough and is underpowered.
3) They water test it, find the same thing (only goes 27 mph) and find that water is getting in the oil
4) Pull the engine and find that the there is rust on the cylinder heads and they need to be replaced up to the tune of ~$3k
5) So I call the Tige dealership that originally told me "that is a clean boat", "we have done all of the service", "like new condition" and they say that they told the old owner that the oil was cloudy last Fall
6) I leave a vm for the seller (who is still claiming that there was never a problem)

So I have no boat in the water, am out an additional $3k and not feeling so hot about my interaction w a Tige dealership telling me the boat is clean (along w issues w the original seller).

What do you guys think?

[skippabcool]

That sucks man. It is easier for me to say since it didn't happen to me. I don't know if you will ever get anything from either the dealer or seller. I would be pissed. I would almost have to forget it, lesson learned, and move forward. You have a boat that should not have any issues now, hopefully you are happy with your dealer, and go enjoy it. If you dwell on it, it will be nothing but miserable. You can also use your experience to educate others on this forum.

[WakerideN]

So the plot thickens here... First, to fill everyone in on the story thus far:

1) I buy boat in January after seller and dealership tell me "that is a clean boat", "we have done all of the service", "like new condition", etc
2) Take it to local Tige dealership that puts the boat on the hose and finds that it throttles rough and is underpowered.
3) They water test it, find the same thing (only goes 27 mph) and find that water is getting in the oil
4) Pull the engine and find that the there is rust on the cylinder heads and they need to be replaced up to the tune of ~$3k
5) So I call the Tige dealership that originally told me "that is a clean boat", "we have done all of the service", "like new condition" and they say that they told the old owner that the oil was cloudy last Fall
6) I leave a vm for the seller (who is still claiming that there was never a problem)

So I have no boat in the water, am out an additional $3k and not feeling so hot about my interaction w a Tige dealership telling me the boat is clean (along w issues w the original seller).

What do you guys think?

how do you have a clean boat... and cloudy oil? I think that blows. I think its a good lesson learned for all that read this. probably worth paying to have a mechanic outside the loop of seller look at it when buying used. But I see where you feel you would be covered. but according number 2 and 5 there is a problem with what your being told before and after.

But I agree. at some point your going to have to suck up the 3k hit and get over it. lesson learned. expensive yes.. Sh1tty h3ll yes. and If I am you.. I say what dealer... buyer beware is my take.

[dmbisbest]

how do you have a clean boat... and cloudy oil? I think that blows. I think its a good lesson learned for all that read this. probably worth paying to have a mechanic outside the loop of seller look at it when buying used. But I see where you feel you would be covered. but according number 2 and 5 there is a problem with what your being told before and after.

But I agree. at some point your going to have to suck up the 3k hit and get over it. lesson learned. expensive yes.. Sh1tty h3ll yes. and If I am you.. I say what dealer... buyer beware is my take.

Yeah... I am processing the whole mess still.

Btw, sweet site gcombe!

[M&M]

2000 20CI Missouri Ozarks. I bought a boat out of state from a dealer. All their used boats have a 90 day powertrain warranty. This dealer did not start my warranty until I picked up the boat. I thought most dealers did this. M&M

[boardman74]

Sounds like the seller knowingly sold you a boat thats not right. I know it happens all the time, but you don't expect it when the dealer confirms condition and service. Crappy that now the dealer is turning 180 degrees and saying they told the seller. Why wouldn't they have told you about the water dilution when you talked to them this winter? Sounds like they are trying to wash their hands of it. I wonder if the guy bought a new boat from that dealer contingent on the sale of his old one. I am going to guess that from this point you will have a tough time getting a hold of the seller. Did the guy think you wouldn't notice when you fired it up? Obviously as the dealer confirmed oil in the fall it was running like that when it was put up. Surprised the guy hasn't already moved and changed his phone number.

[dom w. forte]

How many hours on engine, and when they say the heads were rusted you mean a rust hole into the valve galley getting water into oil , if so where waqs this engine run (saltwater ) ?

[NICKYPOO]

How many hours on engine, and when they say the heads were rusted you mean a rust hole into the valve galley getting water into oil , if so where waqs this engine run (saltwater ) ?

That's really the only way that would happen, isn't it?

The guy boats on salt water. Runs the boat until something fails and then sells it without fixing it. Buys another boat and repeats the whole process.

That happens all the time. We have a salt lake here and people run on it exclusively because its 30min out of town. It generally takes about four years of running on it for the water to eat a hole in something.

The bottom line is that this whole deal sucks for you. 3k with of suck. I'm truly sorry to hear it. Personally, I would be slinging the sellers name and number all over the place as well as the dealers. But I'm vengeful that way. You may choose to take the high road.

[dmbisbest]

Only 140 hours on the engine.... Bought from Colorado (original owner) so saltwater seems unlikely.

And I am still figuring out a plan to "work with" the dealer that gave the boat a clean bill of health. If I get nowhere, then I too will become quite vengeful.

[NICKYPOO]

I'm in Reno, NV. Saltwater would seen unlikely. However, the beautiful Lake Tahoe drains right through Reno and ends up as the ugly, salty Pyramid Lake. There are a bunch of natural hot springs around it and that is where the alkali comes from. It is some nasty chit.

There's also a little lake in Utah called Salt Lake.

I've seen this exact thing happen to a friends boat. We took it out there all the time. Sure we flushed it thoroughly after every use but, it doesn't matter. Four summers of running that water through it ate a hole in the water jackets, ate the head gaskets and killed the motor.

[skippabcool]

Only 140 hours on the engine.... Bought from Colorado (original owner) so saltwater seems unlikely.

And I am still figuring out a plan to "work with" the dealer that gave the boat a clean bill of health. If I get nowhere, then I too will become quite vengeful.

So was the dealer you spoke to WWS in Colorado that said it was clean?

Starting to sound like a cracked block if it was from Colorado. Just guessing though. Did the dealer change the oil when they winterized it?

Besides the engine how does your "clean" boat look? The other possibility was that it was sunk, forgot the plug, and it rusted. have they checked the vdrive and tranny for issues while they are at it?

[dmbisbest]

Yes, WWS is the dealer that said it was clean. Spoke to nick there.

They are saying that the block is not cracked. I am having them look over everything to get it to "clean" now. I dont want to have to be dealing with this stuff all the time.

The boat does not look like it was sunk. And the local dealership here agreed w that...

Still waiting for a call back from the seller. Tick, tock... Not holding my breath.

[talltigeguy]

Yes, WWS is the dealer that said it was clean. Spoke to nick there.

They are saying that the block is not cracked. I am having them look over everything to get it to "clean" now. I dont want to have to be dealing with this stuff all the time.

The boat does not look like it was sunk. And the local dealership here agreed w that...

Still waiting for a call back from the seller. Tick, tock... Not holding my breath.

Just to be 100% clear. Did you speak to Nick the first time when they said the boat was clean, and then again the same Nick when they said they told the owner that there was water in the oil?

Either way, I would have a hard time not getting bitter at someone. The is no conceivable way everyone is innocent on this one.

Sorry to hear about this, and hope you get back on the water quickly.