Purchased 2009 Z1 and Engine Issues before it hits the water?

[dmbisbest]

So the dealership is saying "there may have been some clouding in the oil, but it WAS NOT a big issue and they just wanted to watch it. They did not feel that it was something that would affect the boats performance. According to WWS, it wasn't much of a concern at all"

Is that possible? Or is that burying your head in the sand?

[boardman74]

I think you'd really have to see the oil sample to answer that. Did they do a analysis on the oil. Most dealers will do an analysis in a case like that were there is clearly water contamination. Many dealers do it on everything. I know Caterpillar requires oil samples to maintain warranty coverage, I am not sure if PCM does during the warranty period.

Maybe check back with them and see if they submitted a sample for analysis?

[talltigeguy]

I think that is kicking the can down the road.

There is nothing good about water in your oil. Can anyone conceive of a way that water can get into the oil that is not a disaster in the waiting?

[SPBFAN]

If water is in the oil and those problems are present I would look at just replacing the engine. Is it a PCM or Marine Power engine. I feel your pain and can not even imagine how frustrated you are.

[dmbisbest]

Should be back together and fixed by Thursday.

The dealership admitted that they should have "looked at the service ticket" prior telling me how "clean" the boat is. Waiting to hear back from the owner of the dealership... Will post more when the soap opera continues.

[dmbisbest]

Saga continues...

1) Boat is still not put together.

2) Owner of the dealership that gave it a "clean bill of health" said that its not his problem and I am crazy if I think I am getting anything from him. I tried to explain that I relied on the word and reputation of the local Tige dealership. Essentially, 75% of the reason that I felt comfortable purchasing from out of state was that the dealership said everything was good. I even offered a 3 way split (seller pays $1k, I pay $1k and dealer pays $1k). Seller is saying that he had "no idea".

I bubbled this up to tony at tige but have not heard back. I am not expecting anything but I want to give them a chance before "Buyer Beware of this dealership" goes on every message board that I can find. When that happens, I will post the whole story so people can at least learn from the tom foolery that I am dealing with.

As you were guys

[dmbisbest]

And it is a PCM.

[dom w. forte]

I still am having an issue with the diagnosis of the engine problem,
(1) if found water in the oil why automatically pull engine?
(2) first pull heads in boat and examine gaskets and send heads out for servey for cracks , vortex heads very thin and pron to this!
(3) this is less work and less money if it is in fact just heads.
(4) next you have to determine why a 140hr engine had a failure, salt and poor maintenace ?, overheated ? defective motor? if we dont know the cause it can happen again, request all maintence records from servicing dealer or owner, and where was boat used and how, these are my reccomendations.

[dmbisbest]

I still am having an issue with the diagnosis of the engine problem,
(1) if found water in the oil why automatically pull engine?
(2) first pull heads in boat and examine gaskets and send heads out for servey for cracks , vortex heads very thin and pron to this!
(3) this is less work and less money if it is in fact just heads.
(4) next you have to determine why a 140hr engine had a failure, salt and poor maintenace ?, overheated ? defective motor? if we dont know the cause it can happen again, request all maintence records from servicing dealer or owner, and where was boat used and how, these are my reccomendations.

I am trying to get the service records but of course the dealer says "our fax machine is not working". I say "email them to me". "Yeah, we will do that". That was two weeks ago. This whole thing is shady.

[boardman74]

Bad thing is both the dealer and the seller know you are 4 states away and not likely going to show up on there front step. Sounds like both are blowing you off for sure.

[NICKYPOO]

Super weak, dude. I'm surprised such a reputable dealership, who knows damn well the reach of this site and others, is going to jerk someone around. Even if its just on some sort of principle, that is some seriously bad press. Why not fix it, look like a hero and move on. Now it sounds like he's scamming people. I doubt we'll ever know all the details but, who cares? He is one move away from never being trusted again by hundreds, if not thousands of people. ???

[TeamAllen]

Seems like $$ spent to keep your name in good standing is $$ well spent? How much does advertising cost? How much does bad advertising cost?
I would love to see a copy of that service record where they notified the owner of the cloudy oil condition. That is the smoking gun.

[Matt Garcia]

Man what a messy situation, I dont wish that upon anyone. I maybe wrong but I thought an employee from this dealership posted on here? In my opinion the dealer could at least offer to maybe pay a small fraction of the cost. At the very minimum that would make a bad deal somewhat easy to deal with it. It would also show the dealer that they took the moral high road. Just my opinion.

[dmbisbest]

Man what a messy situation, I dont wish that upon anyone. I maybe wrong but I thought an employee from this dealership posted on here? In my opinion the dealer could at least offer to maybe pay a small fraction of the cost. At the very minimum that would make a bad deal somewhat easy to deal with it. It would also show the dealer that they took the moral high road. Just my opinion.

One of the parts of this that bothers me the most is that Nick at the dealership told me about how great the boat is. If he would have looked at the service ticket (or maybe he did and he didnt want to tell me because the seller was his friend?) and seen that there was water in the oil, then he could have let me know that. Just seems the dealer should stand behind their employee's "word".

I understand the seller trying to screw me... That kinda stuff happens often. But I always thought that a dealer is held to a higher responsibility.

[wired1236]

I had a friend get sued over a car deal because be told the guy the car had Bluetooth. Well it was only Bluetooth ready and the car didn't have the option installed. He ended up in small claims court and had to pay the guy $900. Not a big fan of sue happy people and i am definitely not a lawyer, but if there ever was a case for it, I think you have a good point.