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[boardman74]

Sorry..I voted for the other guy...If you like him thats all you. To each their own.

Thats why I love the internet. People get to act in a way they would never dare or could back up in person. Little mans syndrome on steroids hiding behind the computer screen. What do they call that...oh yeah trolls. I'm not directing that directly at anyone.

I have never heard the 70% rule. I thought I was OK if I stayed under 100%, hence the rated capacity. I've been around the heavy equipment industry most of my adult life and towed alot of heavy stuff. Never heard "this truck is rated for 80,000 but the rule is tow 70% of that". Not being a smart a$$, I really haven't. If the boat was 31 and the trailer was 900, I would be at 4000lbs. I thought I would be good. We don't tow with anything in the boat and I had planned on making sure the tank was as low as possible. I looked up the boat weight and the weight of the single axle trailer.

This thread is really going know where. Bottom line is people are saying somehow someway I should have known the boat weighed more. I guess I should have so I don't look like I'm arguing.

[boardman74]

You know I was really not trying to make anyone angry with this thread, I was just trying to figure out the weight of my boat the best way I could to get a boat lift ordered. I do not have access to my boat currently and my dealer is in Russia, of all places, as I stated earlier. I spoke to harshly, but it fired me up when people started talking about the weights being wrong, knowingly, just to satisfy people with weight/size limits. To me that is deceitful as everyone knows those aren't real numbers. The tower and stereo are standard equipment and should be included in the dry weight.

I apologize to the people I made angry. I am not trying to bash the boat or Tige. But someone please tell me honestly how was I supposed to know those numbers may not be accurate and that I should ask the dealer to weigh the boat? I guess my boat will be for sale very soon. I don't think I got that good of a deal on it, Skippabud, as I paid what the dealer was asking. If anyones interested let me know(shoot me a PM), because if it's over 4500 lbs. with the trailer, like it sounds like it is, it will be for sale.

[skippabcool]

I guess I don't see what the big deal is if you're putting it on a lift. Find out what it actually weighs and get a lift that meets the needs and enjoy it.

[skippabcool]

because if it's over 4500 lbs. with the trailer, like it sounds like it is, it will be for sale.

I could be wrong but you have already offered it for sale to some. It almost seems like you are looking for a reason to justify or blame whatever the real reason might be that it is for sale.

[houstonshark]

Thats why I love the internet. People get to act in a way they would never dare or could back up in person. Little mans syndrome on steroids hiding behind the computer screen. What do they call that...oh yeah trolls. I'm not directing that directly at anyone.

It's cute that you said, 'I'm not directing that directly at anyone.'. If that's really the case, and you don't have the guts to call someone out, who's the troll?

If you were directing that at me, you are off base. There's no 'little man's syndrome' here.

My comments on your thread have been spot on. You clearly need to sell the boat and I'll be glad once you do.

Many of your comments, mostly on WW are abrasive and out of line.

So lets just skip the song and dance and tell us the truth. We will help you sell the boat. Your wife will be happy, your dealer will be ecstatic and Tige Owners won't have to continue to listen to this nonsense.

[boardman74]

Issue is I have to tow it 3 hours to the lift and it doesn't always stay at the lake place. Also I am looking at what happens when I have warranty issues. I have to tow it back 3 hours to the dealer.

I did make a comment last week in a thread about people stating how high of prices they were being quoted. I simply said I would sell mine for far less than that. One gentleman did contact me via PM and I honored that offer, because I am a person of my word, and he choose to pass. Its not for sale anywhere that I know of. Not trying to justify anything. If I want to do something I just go ahead and do it, don't need to justify it or to get permission. Maybe it doesn't work like that for everyone. Wasn't trying to do anything more than get an answer to what the 2013 Tige RZR weighs.

[boardman74]

So your comments are right on? I guess I am confused. You have done nothing but attack me and tell me to sell my boat. Because I asked a question about the weight. Who is abrasive?

I am sure some don't agree with my comments. I can't possibly make everyone happy all the time. I'm sorry for that. How am I abrasive? Because I comment on 13 year old kids who say they are buying 125K boats. Or 19 year olds who claimed they have owned 2 75K boats in the last few years? Because I point out the obvious. Because I have worked hard for everything I have and it bugs me when people are claiming mommy and daddy's stuff is "theirs". We all have things that bug us and that one bugs me. Obviously I am hitting a nerve with you. I again apologize for that. I will dial it down. Honestly I'm not trying to pi$$ you off.

Not sure what song and dance you are looking for. If I sold the boat the wife wouldn't be happy at all. It was her choice to buy it and she choose the boat. You couldn't be farther from the truth. I have never had any negative dealings with my dealer so not sure why he would be ecstatic. If my posts are nonsense please just pass them over. My intention is not to bother you. You can certainly block me if you don't want to hear what I have to say.

[iamcdn]

Boardman, sorry u have to sell the boat. I think it's pretty standard for dry weights to not include accessories. I know Nautique states that their dry weight includes all factory installed accessories minus fuel but I don't think it's standard between manufacturers.

Unfortunately, even if 3100lbs was accurate I would be concerned about the tow weight. Add 800lbs for trailer and then fuel and boards, etc. the problem as I understand it is the vehicle tow weight is based on one driver and no passengers or luggage. Adding those subtracts from total towing capacity so even at 3100lbs you likely would have been over.

[boardman74]

Thank you.

If its 3100 I think I'd be Ok as I tow empty back and forth as we keep most everything at the lake.

[NICKYPOO]

Wow, this simple discussion has spiraled way out of control. IMO, its all completely unnecessary. Had you taken the time to have someone, somewhere weigh one of these things for you, you wouldn't be in this situation. Yes, I understand the published weight may not be entirely accurate. If you are so concerned with the safety of towing your boat 3 hours with a minivan, you should have taken more time to get some sort of real world number. In fact, that is the only real thing you need to do. All your internet research doesn't mean squat without a real number. It's just a giant waste of time that you seem to be unwilling to let go. I think most everybody has gone out of their way to hold their tongue and not say what they really think. Even I apologized about being abrasive. That never happens and I now feel I was wrong to do so. You're looking for answers from a bunch of people you've never met on subject you could have figured out for yourself that directly relates to the safety of your family? I'm not buying it. If you were so concerned about your family's safety, you would have put them in a vehicle that was much more capable a long time ago. New boat, new house, new boat lift, same old minivan. C'mon.

Look, I think you know that towing a boat 3 hours with a minivan is sketchy at best. If you weren't concerned about it, you never would have asked. You can say that your just trying to work the numbers and be safe but, you're towing a new wakeboat with a minivan!. It's not rocket science. Christ, if you are going to be close at all, your family being in the vehicle is going to put your entire rig overweight anyways. Do you see where this leads everytime? You need a different tow vehicle if you are so concerned about safety. If your just looking for people to take sides with you that Tige has screwed you over on a published weight, it ain't gonna happen. Most people put themselves in a position to be well inside their safety limits, not push them.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to be honest with you.

[dom w. forte]

Jreis and I appreciate that, but many on here act like I should have known the weight wasn't accurate. How would I, could I have known that. Why wouldn't I trust the manufacturers numbers? But since I dare question that apparently to some that means I have buyers remorse and should just sell my boat and take a loss, having never even taken delivery of it or put a single hour on it. Makes it worse when others state that all other models are accurate just not the RZR, because Tige is cheating the numbers for a few buyers in Florida.

Like I said I put an email into the suggested link at Tige. I will post up what they have to say.

Im not sure if you know it or not, but Im the Fla. dealer we do not have a weight limit on our lake s or water ways, we have a 20 foot lenght restriction, on certain lakes, as to the tower it is an option and is not part of the weight rating as far as I know, also we have had boats ordered without towers, just check other owners on treads related to boats that got other towers installed on boats without towers, and as I stated my personal ski team 20i with 6.0l 2004 weighed in 3200 which has in my opinion more glass do to its demensions, so wait and see what yours weighs in at, what I was told oringinnally is the new 20s were made narrower to allow them to be shipped over seas in containers instead of on deck which also could have made them lighter then mine.

[chpthril]

Well, if you have the resources to eat the loss on a $80k tow boat....why not eat the loss on your $15k minivan and upgrade, hell even get a used vehicle. Your logic makes no sense...but best of luck to you and your family. This thread is.....*biting my tongue*

Im with you. Heck, keep the minivan and just pick up a half ton beater. Around $4500 will get you a decent mid-90's or newer pickup. A couple K more and have an SUV.

[boardman74]

Thank you guys for the great advice. Buying another vehicle just isn't an option for us, trust me I thought about it. We have no where to store it. Won't fit in the garage and no room with the other 2 vehicles in and out of the garage in the drive way. Association bylaws prohibit parking on the street.

There are all kinds of factors that I'm just not going to waste everyones time on here going into. But because of those things we are kind of stuck with what we have. The most feasible option right now unfortunately is probably going to involve selling the RZR if it's not a weight we can tow.

And Sparky I don't have the resources to eat a loss on an $80,000 boat, nor do I have the resources to even own one. I didn't pay anywhere close to that for my boat. I'm not rich by any means and we work very hard for what we have. I am a medically retired combat vet and I have earned everything I have. This is the first brand new boat we have ever bought so this is pretty disappointing to both my wife and I. I'm not looking for anyones sympathy just hoping maybe some will see why I was upset. Possibly why I came off as a little abrasive. I do apologize for that, again.

Thank you again to all who gave positive feedback vs taking a pot shot at me.

[bwood357]

my dad pulled a maristar 225 with a camero Z28, and then he pulled an X-30 with a ford explorer sport trac (V6). both boats a lot heavier than the RZR and neither vehicle was rated anywhere close to what he was towing. how long do you plan on keeping the VW? if you take it easy, manually shift when you get to a good RPM, i dont think you would have any trouble. i understand you will have a long tow, but how often will you make that tow? i think the safety factor would be on your driving, not a little overload. vehicles get overloaded all the time. i really dont get why you are upset with tige. sounds like lack of research on your part, (that was not a shot at you, everyone has made this mistake before) this kind of thing happens all the time, very few read the small print. see how the VW pulls and then make your decision. im sure some will say dont try to tow over the rated capacity, im suggesting it because ive seen it done for many years with no damage to vehicles. i am just a dumb redneck though!

[NICKYPOO]

Just get it weighed dude. If its a problem at that point, then freak out. Until then, this is pointless.