malibus new surf gate wave

[Nobody]

The "gate " is only on the starboard side. Im sure I can experiment with the height and length as well as angle and make it even better but right now im surfin

Then the picture is reversed. I still don't get it. Looked at your makeshift design and I can't see the logic but I can see the surf.

You work is appreciated here that's for sure.

[adamsjstt]

Then the picture is reversed. I still don't get it. Looked at your makeshift design and I can't see the logic but I can see the surf.

You work is appreciated here that's for sure.

The pictures are correct. The gate goes on the opposite side you are surfin

[Nobody]

The pictures are correct. The gate goes on the opposite side you are surfin

The opposite of what I thought. Thanks and thanks for sharing your work and efforts.

[chpthril]

The opposite of what I thought. Thanks and thanks for sharing your work and efforts.

For a land-lubber, starboard = right. In Adams pic, that's the side the gate is attached to. In Malibu's theory, the gate gets deployed on the opposite side of the surfer.

[konajay]

Adam, can you give us a rundown on how you were set up? Are you running your normal ballast setup plus adding the gate, or did you tweak your setup to accommodate the gate? Man, your wake sure looked nice... Good job and looking forward to
a more detailed report on your experience yesterday.

[talltigeguy]

Im testing it today.

Adam, Can you show a litle more how you mounted that?

On related questions about patent talked about above. I don't think that the company/patent office is going to go after 1 guy that writes up a DIY thread, are they? I think that missiles will be fired if someone creates a surfgate 'package' that would allow the organizer to make profits from selling such a package. But I think that for individuals to do it, it is not likely to be a problem.

WA, any insights on that?

[ragboy]

That DIY stuff is pretty cool. I have read through MOST of this thread, but honestly started skimming after page 5. ;-) I have talked to several people who have seen it, and watched most of the videos, but will probably get a good look at it at the Surf Expo. It seems to me like a GREAT idea for the wakeboard crowd that likes to wake surf when its blown out or choppy. At least that is how it seems to me. Every video or picture I have seen it looks like the wake would be better if it was listed. This video is the best I have seen:



To get that big of a wake without listing, that thing has to be sac'd out on both sides I am guessing. But I am totally open to seeing it work.

Riding behind and doing chase behind so many different wakesurf boats you start to see common characteristics in common with the boats that make the best wakes. Not thinking about shape so much but more thinking about what is referred to as push and is so critical to a great wake. I can make even more push with the Z3 but then I have too much weight in the rear corner compared to the front and the transition is not good, but push seems to come from 2 things primarily. The amount of slope from the back of the wake to the front and the hook of the wake. When we slam the 24Ve it makes a huge hole and you can see why it has more push that way because of the amount of slope from back to front propelling a rider forward, but the 24Ve has less hook in the wake than the RZ2 and even more less than the Z3. The 24Ve wake is long and gorgeous but because it doesn't have as much hook the "push" is more out and not toward the boat. That hook seems to make the "push" in the direction you want it, so making a Z3 wake feel more powerful than a 24Ve. I will have to find some footage from the Z3 and the 24Ve from higher up, like the tower. The Z3 has this huge meaty fat wake that gets behind you where the 24Ve it tapers off. The RZ2 is in between.

That being said, the surf gate or vertical trim tab seems to be able to make the right shape, but I don't see how it can generate the slope and hook of a boat with the corner down.

Anyway, just thinking mostly out loud until I really see one.

[IDBoating]

I don't think that the company/patent office is going to go after 1 guy that writes up a DIY thread, are they? WA, any insights on that?

Theoretically, a patent owner could pursue for infringement even on a personal level. Practically speaking, they almost never do. It's just not worth it. A patent holder does have an obligation to preserve the uniqueness of their invention; if they don't, a legal principle called "latches" can be applied which is sort of like a preemptive easement on real estate. Example: If someone infringes on your patent and you make no effort to stop them for (I think it's) six years, the law presumes you aren't interested in stopping them and they get a "virtual license" (my term) to use your stuff going forward. The idea is to provide predictability in the marketplace, amongst other reasons that I'll skip for now.

A really big company (think Coca Cola or McDonald's) will send a letter to anyone of almost any size because they have the resources and they have so much to protect. They do the same for their copyrights and trademarks, too. But mostly individuals are left alone.

I am not a lawyer, but I can't imagine Malibu chasing people experimenting with the concept. As I noted earlier in this thread, the whole point of the patent system is to encourage inventors to reveal their secrets so other inventors can go even farther. But duplicate their system and sell it, and you'll get a letter!

[adamsjstt]

In the picture the boat is weighted like I would weight it for wakeboarding. The rear lockers have 600 # sacs in each locker and the bow u shape sac is full. My wife driving 125# , my dad is seating in the center rear seat 250# and my son and daughter 150# total are seating port side across from driver. I did try moving my dad to the ballast boy seat and the wake got cleaner but I didn't take anymore pictures I was to busy surfin. I will be makeing a couple different sizes and trying different angles this weekend. With time and testing the wave will only improve

[adamsjstt]

Adam, Can you show a litle more how you mounted that?

On related questions about patent talked about above. I don't think that the company/patent office is going to go after 1 guy that writes up a DIY thread, are they? I think that missiles will be fired if someone creates a surfgate 'package' that would allow the organizer to make profits from selling such a package. But I think that for individuals to do it, it is not likely to be a problem.

WA, any insights on that?

I was skeptical that the gate would work so I didn't spend alot of time designing or mounting. It is mounted using the three factory holes in the swim deck mounting brackets and a couple pieces of all thread. I originally drilled three holes in the board but when I was mounting I decided two would be enough. I only have 30 minutes in the experiment. I will say to anyone who decides to try it make the gate about 2 inches higher than your swim platform . I noticed I had alot of water coming over my swim platform and on my next designs I will be using a taller "gate". Looking forward to the changes of the wake with changing the size and shape of the gate. Hopefully I find a good size and angle this weekend then this winter I will make the gates out of aluminum and add hydraulic actuators.

[thtrog]

Just got word Grubb did a 360 transfer. Video should be up soon.

[Nobody]

I was skeptical that the gate would work so I didn't spend alot of time designing or mounting. It is mounted using the three factory holes in the swim deck mounting brackets and a couple pieces of all thread. I originally drilled three holes in the board but when I was mounting I decided two would be enough. I only have 30 minutes in the experiment. I will say to anyone who decides to try it make the gate about 2 inches higher than your swim platform . I noticed I had alot of water coming over my swim platform and on my next designs I will be using a taller "gate". Looking forward to the changes of the wake with changing the size and shape of the gate. Hopefully I find a good size and angle this weekend then this winter I will make the gates out of aluminum and add hydraulic actuators.

Sounds like the waste gate approach might be ideal for the RZ4....wonder if bigger is better in this application??

[turbonine]

I will say to anyone who decides to try it make the gate about 2 inches higher than your swim platform . I noticed I had alot of water coming over my swim platform and on my next designs I will be using a taller "gate". Looking forward to the changes of the wake with changing the size and shape of the gate. Hopefully I find a good size and angle this weekend then this winter I will make the gates out of aluminum and add hydraulic actuators.

Wonder what the outcome would be with a deeper gate and list. Since the activated gate is on the opposite side of the surf side, list would cause the gate to come out of the water, making it useless. But if the gate was deeper to still be in the water with a listing boat, wonder what the affect would be?

[Duncan]

It is mounted using the three factory holes in the swim deck mounting brackets ...

I was just looking at those three holes this past weekend re mounting a mudflap.

I am guessing these factory holes are going to see several gate mods on our Tiges ...

[kko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AYgP...layer_embedded
That video lead me to this one wich was also pretty good. Although through all this video they never show the deployed side...from what I saw anyway.