No perfect pass for my boat

[talltigeguy]

Hey guys,

Marine Power uses a MEPHI-4 ECM. This is the same ECM that is used on most MasterCraft boats from 2005. Perfectpass is compatible with the MEPHI-4 ECM and have no problems controlling a 2005 MasterCraft boats.

The Marine Power engines, for some odd reason, do not work well with cruise control system. These odd problems were never solved by Marine Power. As a result, Perfectpass decided that supporting these engine was not worth it due to performance issues.

Hope that help!
Mark@perfectpass.com

Dakota4ce put a lot of effort into a workaround.

[dakota4ce]

That I did!


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[UNSTUCK]

So funny this pops up now. I've been researching cruise control all day. My biggest struggle with installing a cam and supercharger on my engine is keeping the Zero Off working or a workaround. If perfect Pass will work that may be it.

Its funny though, on Zero off's website it says they have/had an agreement with PP that they will only focus on DBW and that PP will only focus on DBC.

[Boosna]

Hi guys,
First time poster and I'll admit I'm responsible for bringing PP into this old discussion. Long story short - I totaled my Malibu vlx at the end of last season and I've been on a hunt for a 24ve, 22ve, or a centurion enzo. I made an offer on a 2006 24VE last week that has factory PP in it with the 340 HP marine power plant. River test had the display tweaking out a bit on the PP so I started doing research on here and other places. This boat had me confused because what I've read is that there wasn't PP as an option in 2006 for this engine. Dealer who is selling has agreed to fix the PPbut I didn't want to get too far into this deal if it's just going to end with a bunch of wasted time with a system that doesn't work or won't work once they do their research. I emailed Mark at PP who has been really helpful to me in the past. I sent him copies of threads from this forum and asked for his insight. Dealer also called in on Friday and PP is sending out a new brainbox, new gauge and stargazer puck. Hope it works. Honestly I was beginning to think that the paperwork on the boat was off. Different year - or may be I didn't look close enough at what power plant it had on the test drive. We'll see...Tige is a new brand for me and I'm hoping all I've read on here pans out on the river with a good surf boat.

quick question if I can about ballast set up. My plan is to re-use some of my old bags and do a three pump reversible system. Two pumps controlling 1100lbs in each of the rear lockers. The third pump goes to a 800lb bag under the port seats. ON the starboard side I'll leave a long hose with a y connection plumbed to a 750lb bag I'll put on the floor in the front when we wakeboard. I hear that may be the only time I need front weight. question is can I run this system with a slight list and use a suc gate? I'd prefer not to list only if I don't have to as the suc gate has worked well in the past for me. Thoughts on this set up? I'll get the bags back as far as possible but don't plan on removing foam in the lockers for now. We're a family of 7, 4 daughters...nobody is really great at surfing yet so I don't want to start gutting stuff back there quite yet. Boat didn't come with any ballast so I'm starting from scratch on it.

Welcome your opinions!
thx

[chpthril]

had me confused because what I've read is that there wasn't PP as an option in 2006 for this engine.

Technically, no, an 06 Ve could not get PP. However, there are no absolutes and we have seen some model option bleed-over. Is the motor silver or charcoal gray? You can also look and see if there is a cable at the throttle body or a couple of wire harnesses.

but don't plan on removing foam in the lockers for now

Good call, it wont work out like you want, on an 06. These boats are best when starting from scratch and no factory ballast. Dont marginalize the surf wave. Beginner surfers need a bigger better wave then a beginner wake boarder.

[boardman74]

I'm guessing your a bit confused. I doubt the 2006 with a MP 340 has perfect pass. My guess is it has the Tige speedset cruise and your calling that perfect pass.

I have never heard of an 2006 with actual perfect pass, but I could be wrong. If so it would have an actual perfect pass gauge sitting where the speedo or tach should be in the gauge cluster. If it has a pad that controls the speed that has a set button and an up and down arrow...that is Tige speedset and not perfect pass.

[chpthril]

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2006-Ti...gon-72947.aspx

[Boosna]

It has pp stargazer... saw it and test drove it


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[dakota4ce]

It could be set up just like the workaround I made—I saw that one other time believe it or not.

Would be interested to see if this is simply cable controlled potentiometer bracket back in the engine compartment.


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[talltigeguy]

I'm guessing your a bit confused. I doubt the 2006 with a MP 340 has perfect pass. My guess is it has the Tige speedset cruise and your calling that perfect pass.

I have never heard of an 2006 with actual perfect pass, but I could be wrong. If so it would have an actual perfect pass gauge sitting where the speedo or tach should be in the gauge cluster. If it has a pad that controls the speed that has a set button and an up and down arrow...that is Tige speedset and not perfect pass.

Back in 2006, it was an option to get PCM motors. I know Taylor's boats in Salt Lake ordered them mostly with PCM, and those had perfect pass. But he was clear that his boat was MP, so you are perfectly correct, we've assumed that when he said PP, he meant Tige cruise. And the Onlyinboards boat above does not say which engine is in there.

[Boosna]

Thanks for all the feedback gents. I’m gonna go to dealer tomorrow to take some pics and finalize purchase. I’ll report back with some pics after tomorrow. I’ll look at how the perfect pass is connected to see if it’s factory or not. Ultimately I don’t care... just need it to work!!


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[boardman74]

I can save you that answer. PP stargazer did not exist in 2006 so I can guarantee you that it is not factory. If it has an MP motor it was never factory equipped with PP. It would have had the Tige speedset if anything.

Someone installed this as a custom one off thing. Chances are that's why it is not working. PP has never worked directly with the MP motor. You can do the work around like Dakota did, but that's basically perfect pass running a different throttle in the engine compartment. If this boat has perfect pass installed normally that's why its not working and not any bad components. In 12 years now(basing off 2006) no one has ever, to my knowledge, made perfect pass work on an MP motor in the traditional way.

Is this boat maybe the first one, sure its possible. But its likely closer to the truth that someone who didn't know any better tried to put perfect pass on it, it didn't work, and then they got rid of the boat. The dealer likely wasn't a Tige dealer during the MP days and doesn't know any better. What I am telling you and most on here will agree is that unless this is the FIRST EVER PP is likely never going to work correctly on that boat.

My recommendation to you is that you water test that boat and see and feel it working correctly before you sign the papers if speed control is a factor in your purchase.

[talltigeguy]

I can save you that answer. PP stargazer did not exist in 2006 so I can guarantee you that it is not factory. If it has an MP motor it was never factory equipped with PP. It would have had the Tige speedset if anything.

Someone installed this as a custom one off thing. Chances are that's why it is not working. PP has never worked directly with the MP motor. You can do the work around like Dakota did, but that's basically perfect pass running a different throttle in the engine compartment. If this boat has perfect pass installed normally that's why its not working and not any bad components. In 12 years now(basing off 2006) no one has ever, to my knowledge, made perfect pass work on an MP motor in the traditional way.

Is this boat maybe the first one, sure its possible. But its likely closer to the truth that someone who didn't know any better tried to put perfect pass on it, it didn't work, and then they got rid of the boat. The dealer likely wasn't a Tige dealer during the MP days and doesn't know any better. What I am telling you and most on here will agree is that unless this is the FIRST EVER PP is likely never going to work correctly on that boat.

My recommendation to you is that you water test that boat and see and feel it working correctly before you sign the papers if speed control is a factor in your purchase.

...true doctrine. Until I see it done, my faith is weak.

[boardman74]

I did see it and I hear you. Mainly because I know atleast 6 people plus myself that have spoken directly with PP about the MP340 and all of us were told the same thing....won't work. I had a long discussion when I worked for the dealership with PP about it and was told no then as well as other times, personally by PP. Not reading it on here or hearing thru the grape vine. They have always said they DO NOT have an option for the MP engine.

Now all of a sudden someone claiming to be from PP comes on here and says yep we have an option. So something must have changed or there is someone new at PP who thinks they have the solution.

Like you I am going with the Missouri stance....show me.

If I were buying that boat I would have to go with the last 12 years of data that says it will not work....until someone showed me that it did properly and consistently. Unless having speed control is not an issue to the buyer.

[dakota4ce]

I was told in that boat the motor is MEFI4 and there is no solution. As echoed by everyone else. The next year went to MEFI5.


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