Wakeworld Forum post on Tige Taps Plate

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Originally Posted by cwb4me
The Taps plate works in conjunction with the convex v hull.The boat naturally wants to settle with the transom deep in the water and the bow up.That would be Taps at 8[biggest wake] As you move the plate down taps 7,6,5,4 ect the bow comes down and the wake is smaller.Most Tige owners find the Taps in the 3,4,5 range best for surfing.I'm not familiar with the Sanger hull,so i don't know how your plate will affect it.

Below is a reply to Robert's above post over at Wakeworld.com / I continue to see people post comments on these threads that have no clue.. Makes me laugh.

You just described how a trim tab works That is all the TAPS plate is. Tige can call it what they want. Kinda like Supra/Centurion calling a wake plate. Just a fancy name for Trim tab.

[Duncan]

Actually, I think the TAPS plate really is just a "trim tab". But the key is the Convex V (i.e., rocker) hull absolutely requires it to be engaged while under way (well, unless you like running at 8 with the bow pointing to the sky).

As I understand it, the convex V lacks the downward lip on the rear of the hull. Thus the trim tab is necessary to "correct" the "hull trim".

So the real feature different in a Tige is the hull; the TAPS plate is just a conventional trim tab to exploit the hull.

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Actually, I think the TAPS plate really is just a "trim tab". But the key is the Convex V (i.e., rocker) hull absolutely requires it to be engaged while under way (well, unless you like running at 8 with the bow pointing to the sky).

As I understand it, the convex V lacks the downward lip on the rear of the hull. Thus the trim tab is necessary to "correct" the "hull trim".

So the real feature different in a Tige is the hull; the TAPS plate is just a conventional trim tab to exploit the hull.

I understand the taps plate is a trim tab but it is used in conjunction with the convex V hull. You can run other boats without a trim tab. Take you taps plate off a Tige and you will never plane out. His comments to me stated that Tige didnt have anything different with their trim tab. I dont think he understood the design feature of the Convex V Hull.

[robert theisen]

The big shame of it all is the guy lives in DFW area the factory is only about 2 hours away.Eagle Marine is probably 30 minutes or less.He obviously didn't put much effort into research on Wakesurfing boats.If he did then he would understand how the convex V hull works with the help from the TAPS plate.

[NICKYPOO]

Get used to it. As a Tige owner, you'll likely hear this the rest of your life. There is some truth to it however. Without the plate, you would porpoise across the lake. If you run around at full throttle with taps at 8, you'll get a taste. I imagine its horrible without a plate. With no pressure on the back edge, our "spoon" hull is going to oscillate wildly at every little ripple on the lake. However, with a specially designed trim tab, aka taps, we can now have control that and adjustment of our spoon. A true innovationvin wakeboats.

I have no idea if Tige tried the convex hull and then figured out they needed a tab or someone forgot to design a hook in the first place (that one seems highly unlikely), I don't care. My boat is way more adjustable than your (insert other brand here).

It sure would be nice if Charlie came on here and gave us the real story. I know he posts on here once every blue moon. Matt, can you hook it up?

[Vicseek]

I agree but wonder if my taps is perhaps not calibrated correctly. If I run her at full throttle and get up to top speed 39 (1235 prop) I MUST HAVE zero taps or she'll start bouncing. I can't even get 1 or 2 before her bow will start to pop right out of the water.

[bigskymudflaps]

In the last year, I have brought my rz2 up to top speed once. I too have the 1235 prop. My motor is the marine power 340. When I gunned it, it was 6000 feet elevation and I had two other average adults in the boat. My experience was about 39mph with taps at 0 (maybe it's one, either way, it was all the way down). I have driven a decent amount of other boats and when you can trim the boat, you will get more speed, the bow rises, and you lose steering. Having a "trim" plate on my rz2, I pulled it up a couple clicks and got a few more mph out of it. I think I topped out at about 41 or 42mph. I do not remember any abnormal cavitation.

Now for bouncing, as you describe. It's possible that it's totally normal. When properly trimmed out, more of the boat floats on a cushion of air. The cushion of air is not always stable, and that's why it will bounce a bit. Also, not on my tige at least, with the trim tab all the way down, it extends past the bottom of the hull. I believe taps at about 3 is flush with the hull elevation. With the tab pushing the water down more than the hull, it forces the hull into the water. At that speed, having more hull in contact with the water it will give you very responsive steering and it will feel like you are glued to the water's surface. Totally normal. In really fast boats, trimmed out is very sketchy -- like flying and you have very little steering. Watch a few videos of hydroplanes racing and or flipping. Trim up in the straights, trim down in the turns. Are they bouncing in the straights? I'd say they do bounce a little, but that's fast and exactly what they are designed to do. I'd guess what you are experiencing is just the normal difference between two standard trim options -- trim up and trim down.

The taps plate combined with the convex v hull is the real beauty of the tige -- adjustability. Not exactly the adjustability of of an IO or an outboard, but a HUGE improvement over any other wake sport based inboard boat I've ever driven (mastercraft, malibu, and natique).

[ragboy]

I can add a bit of perspective that this. The RZ2 is more sensitive to porpoising and taps adjustments work much different on it then the 24Ve for instance. I can run say 35 mph on the 24ve and have taps around 3-4 without porpoising. When I first got the RZ2, I immediately noticed it was much different. I at first thought that maybe it wasn't calibrated correctly either, or installed right. I think the boat is just different. I had to bring taps almost all the way down at 35 or slightly turn to keep from porpoising. When surfing on the Ve, I can use taps from 1-6 or so. On the RZ2, I could do taps from 1-3, up at 4, and it started to distort the wave. The RZ2 is a great boat, and makes an awesome surf wake, but it was def different than what I was used to regarding taps.

[Wakeman22]

One has to remember that the taps is legnthening the boats waterline and also lifting the back thus forcing the bow down, or letting the "convex vee hull" settle down into the water. Its effect would be more noticable in the shorter boats and ones with less wieght in the bow area.

[Vicseek]

Yeah, it's just become standard for me to fill up the bow ballast reguardless so that I get some weight up in front therefore allowing me some flexibility in trimming the boat in different water/weight situations.