Tige R20 vs. Moomba Mojo 2.5.

[CameroNut]

No, it cant. Thats why Tige also builds the RZR. The R20 has a base of standard features and limited options. If someone wants more, then you are moving up to an RZR. So from the factory, the R20 will have a ceiling. And I do not believe it will be 10K more then a Mojo with similar options.

You got my interest up so I looked over a 2011 R20 Dealer pricing sheet after your post. I started by
upgrading the motor to a 5.7L. Upgrading the swim platform, adding TAPS, Stainless cup holders Surf Bimini, Bow filler with cooler fancy steering wheel, transom grab handle, Ski Pylon, Wire the tower for sound, Barrier coats aqnd a couple of other options the boats MSRP plus options took it to $58502 MSRP plus a trailer. $47K base MSRP and $11K in options added up quickly to $58k before haggling with dealer and getting a trailer. I do know that Tige dealers have a lot more room to negotiate price than Moomba.

The question or point I was making was would people look at the lower Moomba price point to draw them in and would it take some business from Tige or other big players. Moomba is marketing the boat like all its Moombas to have a fairly decent base price and limit options. From Moomba site
It is a simply designed boat built for extraordinary performance without the added cost of needless complexity.

if the buyer wants the Navigation and electronic dash and other frills it would be time to go look at higher end boats including Tige.

I test drove the Outback V and liked it but did not fall in love with it. Did not like color schemes, a flatter hull ( was better for skiing) but had rougher ride than 20V but if I did not find the smoking deal on my Supra I may have gone Moomba Outback V because I get a max of two weekends a season and 1 solid week in the Ozark area between Missouri and Arkansas and am a weekend warrior. My previous boat was a 94 that I gor rid of season end 2008. It still looked like new because of weekend warrior syndrome.

I came close to buying Moneypity's 2007 20V (Candy Corn Boat) because it was setup well, was like new with 50 hours and my wife loved the bright color scheme. But as I said no dealer support in his area or mine in Ft Wayne. He got his asking price which speaks well of the brand. I won't get into concerns I had regarding issues discussed in TO prior to 2009 model year. I saw Monepity's boat last season and due to young children and some other goof ups like closing boat after weekend use. The vinyl was left wet during the very humid summer and they changed covers from vented ones to a full mooring cover vs bow cover and cockpit when boat was on lift. Needless to say it became mildewed to death and hard hard candy stains allover due to youngsters.

I think the answer is the Mojo 2.5 euiped well will be around $65k with tandem trailer. I know RZ2 pricing can run into higher $60K to lower $70K range or so after reading the feedback it will be in the eyes and budget of the buyer if he goes the less route to no frills Moomba lays so well.02 He probably be happy. As I said you can find smoking deals on last years models(new) if you look.

[patryk]

I picked up my 2011 R20 with the 5.7L engine, upgraded surf ballast, every other upgrade option the R20 had, and a bad a$$ upgraded trailer for $45k at the boat show. Brand new, 0 hours. After tax and licensing it was under $50k

[Timmy!]

Towing round trip to weekend lake 140 miles and 4-6 hour boat run time at avg. of 7 gallons an hour adds up. Vacation for a week with 1400 mile round trip and 5 hours a day on the boat is what leads to price point question. In the scheme of things will buyers buy same size boat for less when usage cost are on the rise unless money is no issue.

How often do you use your boat? If you're not putting at least 50 hours a season on it, then don't spend the big bucks on a boat, that's just not worth it IMO. I think most commenting in here are probably 100 average and I know Robert is a lot more than that. If you are a low hour user, I can see where you are coming from in this thread now but for those that are in the boat several times a week all summer long, completely different story.

[CameroNut]

How often do you use your boat? If you're not putting at least 50 hours a season on it, then don't spend the big bucks on a boat, that's just not worth it IMO. I think most commenting in here are probably 100 average and I know Robert is a lot more than that. If you are a low hour user, I can see where you are coming from in this thread now but for those that are in the boat several times a week all summer long, completely different story.

You caught my point.
We average under 75 hours in a typical season now. A decent weekend lake is 2.5 hours away. Thus my comments. I am in no need to replace my Sunsport but I wanted to go thru the exercise and what other weekend warriors thought regarding the Mojo 2.5

In comparing a few 2011 RZ2's on the internet vs a new Build Mojo I was surprised. A new Mojo MSRP is $63k while a 2011 used RZ2 go for around $69K You probably could save 10 grand for a new 2012 Mojo 2.5 vs a 2011 low hour RZ2.

Assuming you can haggled the new dealer the same amount you can haggle the used dealer and you want the extra bling and some features buying a low hour 1 year old or less Tige RZ2 maybe smarter.

New Moomba Mojo with most needed option is a $63K proposition while say you can find the low hour RZ2 in like new condition for 69k or less and can afford an extra $800 a year Tige may be way to go after number crunching. Each situation is different but at face value a slightly used RZ2 maybe a good rought to take.

[CameroNut]

[QUOTE=patryk;575337]I picked up my 2011 R20 with the 5.7L engine, upgraded surf ballast, every other upgrade option the R20 had, and a bad a$$ upgraded trailer for $45k at the boat show. Brand new, 0 hours. After tax and licensing it was under $50k

QUOTE]

Based on MSRP numbers I have you got a great deal. Congrats Enjoy the R20. It is supposed to handle great and the 5.7 was the right choice.

[chpthril]

I picked up my 2011 R20 with the 5.7L engine, upgraded surf ballast, every other upgrade option the R20 had, and a bad a$$ upgraded trailer for $45k at the boat show. Brand new, 0 hours. After tax and licensing it was under $50k

You caught my point.
We average under 75 hours in a typical season now. A decent weekend lake is 2.5 hours away. Thus my comments. I am in no need to replace my Sunsport but I wanted to go thru the exercise and what other weekend warriors thought regarding the Mojo 2.5

In comparing a few 2011 RZ2's on the internet vs a new Build Mojo I was surprised. A new Mojo MSRP is $63k while a 2011 used RZ2 go for around $69K You probably could save 10 grand for a new 2012 Mojo 2.5 vs a 2011 low hour RZ2.

Assuming you can haggled the new dealer the same amount you can haggle the used dealer and you want the extra bling and some features buying a low hour 1 year old or less Tige RZ2 maybe smarter.

New Moomba Mojo with most needed option is a $63K proposition while say you can find the low hour RZ2 in like new condition for 69k or less and can afford an extra $800 a year Tige may be way to go after number crunching. Each situation is different but at face value a slightly used RZ2 maybe a good rought to take.

Sounds like the Tige R20 would be back in the running since we have put forth data that indicates they are not more then a Mojo.

if the buyer wants the Navigation and electronic dash and other frills it would be time to go look at higher end boats including Tige

The R20 does not have the Tige Touch, one would need to move to an RZR or bigger for that, so this keeps the R20 in line with boats without the NAV/Touch Display.

Bottom line, I never met a boat buyer that was enthusiastically looking forward to paying MSRP . Nobody buys at MSRP on big ticket items, threes always room to work.

[CameroNut]

Sounds like the Tige R20 would be back in the running since we have put forth data that indicates they are not more then a Mojo.


Bottom line, I never met a boat buyer that was enthusiastically looking forward to paying MSRP . Nobody buys at MSRP on big ticket items, threes always room to work.

I only used MSRP as a reference point for pricing knowing full well that the out the door price will be significantly less depending on dealer, time of year etc.

As an example patryk got his 2011 R20 at $45 which is a great deal.


Back to MSRP pricing for the Tige R20 it gets to $58K with options added. Now add in a trailer which can vary widely in price depending on manufacturer. Assuming you can pick up a decent Boat trailer for $4K the R20 adds up to $62k MSRP list vs the Moomba at $63K with Tandem trailer( without significant trailer frills.)

Of course no one want to go Joe'a boat store pick out boat and pay MSRP. I am only using it to compare what the dealers publish as their retail numbers which we all know can be haggled considerably as seen above.

Moomba positions their boat as "It is a simply designed boat built for extraordinary performance without the added cost of needless complexity."

Tige positions the R20 as " Incedible Value Outstanding performance" and "The R20, with its legendary Tigé craftsmanship and remarkable performance, offers you everything Tigé is known for, priced to achieve the ownership dream."

After all is said and done before discounts you have two boats that are at roughly the same suggested retail price with an apples to oranges comparison that could influence buyers depending on their needs.

I think both boats are good boats. I think Tige has an edge in construction quality while the Moomba Mojo has the edge in interior space. The R20 Bow is small as well as the main cockpit is slightly cramped in a 20 foot boat with a outdent in the rear bench seat..

The R20 is 20 feet long while the Moomba is 22 feet 6 inces with a 99 inch beam verses the R20 94 inch beam.

The R20 is 3075lb dry while Moomba Mojo is 3900lbs which similar to the weight of an RZ2.

Tige has improved it's foam rubber vinyl which seems similar to what Moomba uses. The look of the two boats interiors lack bling but the Moomba does have stainless steel cup holders and other accents. Instead of cup holders on the floor they are built into the reccesses on both the port and starboard sides of the boat.

If a weekend warrior wants a bit more room( similar to RZ2 specs) similar power, a boatmate trailer and typical options that most boaters would want it could be a alternative to the Tige R20. It is not a pickle fork design but a boat with a wider bow and plenty of room up front. If the buyer can haggle the price down the can get plenty of boat for the limited time they spend on the water.

The R20 is a real nice boat but is fairly plain which was a design goal to keep it's price down. The RZR is completely the opposite. Also remeber the R20 does not have the same warranty as the other Tige models.

The real Moomba to do an item by item comparison to the Tige R20 is the Outback V. Different time and place for this comparison.

Because I am defintely a weekend warrior getting out 2 weekends a month for the midwest season and a 1 week vacation I am under 100 hours a year. That is what my Supra is showing and my previous boat was less since it sucked 12 gallons an hour cruising which got expensive when skiing so as gas went up use went down.

If I was replacing my current ride I would look at a used Tige 22VE, a used RZ2, a Moomba Mojo, another Supra or a Centurion all in the 22-23 ft range. 20ft is my garage limitation but in the summer it will be left at the lake out of water in covered storage and in the winter stored in a barn. Towing on weekends is just too expensive at 11mpg.

So after all my rhetoric I think there is a big segment of people who will look at the Moomba Mojo depending on how much and how they use their boats. I think Tige builds a better hull stringer system but in 20+ years of boating I have not run into stringer issues. If Moomba will discount from retail you can get a nice 23 foot boat.

[robert theisen]

This thread really reminds me of some WW threads.Everyone is trying to help the OP and the OP doesn't want help.He already has his mind made up on what he wants.Good Luck with your MOJO. I know you will enjoy it.

[dom w. forte]

The moomba might be the boat for you, I went from a new air nautique to Tige , not because of cost, Tige out performed my nautique in every area, handling, no bow rise , ride quality, and dependability, equal or better resale, and above all double the fuel econnomy with a heavyer boat and bigger engine.
My boat has 1250hrs currently.
My family has had the pleasure of useing every major brand including moomba as well as work on and service and none of the others are as versatile.
Bottom line is you still need to take the family out and try all the brands that interest you and , have them give you a pull in sport of your choice and see what fits your need, good luck in your search, for me there is only one answer!

[gcsuper]

The moomba might be the boat for you, I went from a new air nautique to Tige , not because of cost, Tige out performed my nautique in every area, handling, no bow rise , ride quality, and dependability, equal or better resale, and above all double the fuel econnomy with a heavyer boat and bigger engine.
My boat has 1250hrs currently.
My family has had the pleasure of useing every major brand including moomba as well as work on and service and none of the others are as versatile.
Bottom line is you still need to take the family out and try all the brands that interest you and , have them give you a pull in sport of your choice and see what fits your need, good luck in your search, for me there is only one answer!

Double the fuel economy ??

[Wakeman22]

My 24ve uses only 4 to 6 gals/hr with the 360hp engine. Check the fuel burn on other boats they are a lot worse and some are double. My fuel burn is real and not an estimate or published. Look at boattest.com. They have real tested numbers on a variety of boats.

[CameroNut]

[QUOTE=gcsuper;576077]Double the fuel economy ??[/QU.Ihave asked Moomba sales and owners and the other 22'-23 Moomba modes use around 7 gallons an hour cruising around 27mph. All I can do is take forward for it.

My supra uses 7 gallons an hour at 2900 rpm and 26-27mph.

[Wakeman22]

Thats good fuel economy. But I quoted 4 to 6 gals./hr. My boat weighs in at just under 5000lbs, is 24 ft. long and I am running with 1500lbs of ballast. I compaired same size boats from other mfg. and they were all using a lot more fuel. Now add that up over the summer season and it becomes a lot of cash. I run about 125 plus hours a year.

As Rbert said you have your mind made up on the Moomba. I am sure what ever brand you choose you will be happy with as you will be out on the water and not on shore. Good luck.

[skippabcool]

To the OP if you are looking at prices based on trying to justify the cost based on your lack of use you may look into different options. For maybe two weekends and one week you might want to consider renting. You wouldn't have to settle for a boat that you don't want or doesn't have the options you want. You would also be able to try different configurations. To compare boats and prices then want justification of the MSRP because you don't plan to use often is not a fair comparison.

The other option is to buy a used boat.

If you don't have sufficient disposable income to make your justification on a new boat that is not going to get used then you shouldn't be looking for a new boat. If you do then the prices of what you want shouldn't be an issue.

I guess if I could go in to the dealer and use this situation for a great deal many of us would be getting new boat Hey dealer, I only plan to use this boat one week a year and I can only afford a boat I don't want so how about you give me a great deal on this boat that I want.

Buying the boat is only the start of costs. You still have insurance, registration, taxes, gas, etc... Are you going to tell the insurance and state that you only are going to use it one week so you shouldn't have to pay for the year?

Just my

[Timmy!]

This thread still has life left in it? I don't know how much more advice we can give. Buy a boat and enjoy it!