I got a gripe with Tige!

[dreamintige']

In an RZ2, the port fills to about 1200 and the starboard fills to 1000+. A little less in the RZR as its not as wide.

Yes, they come with the anchors. Its a 15 minute Plug-n-Play swap

It is if you want to be stuck with those aerator style pumps.

If you ask me the way to go is order with no ballast and plumb in the entire system yourself with impeller style two way pumps to 1" hose.

[dingleberry]

If you ask me the way to go is order with no ballast and plumb in the entire system yourself with impeller style two way pumps to 1" hose.

Unfortunately, if you go that route, then you lose the base 250-lb hard tank under the floor in each corner.

[dom w. forte]

It is if you want to be stuck with those aerator style pumps.

If you ask me the way to go is order with no ballast and plumb in the entire system yourself with impeller style two way pumps to 1" hose.

Ill take the aerator pump any day , we are constantly replaceing the MC impellar pumps, because they burn out the motors, and there not cheap.

[chpthril]

It is if you want to be stuck with those aerator style pumps.

If you ask me the way to go is order with no ballast and plumb in the entire system yourself with impeller style two way pumps to 1" hose.

Well, for those that are not looking to tackle a complete ballast install and fill/drain time is not an issue, our Plug-n-Play upgrade is ideal.

Now, if some one is spec'ing out a boat to order, and was up to doing a ballast install, as an option, I would suggest just going with the base level ballast option, then go with a traditional custom surf sac and plumb it in with its own pump and plumbing system.

Aerators V's Impeller pumps: We debated that time and time again. I sell and install many ballast systems using both types. Neither is better then the other while laying on the work bench. The pros and cons come into play when the system starts to get designed. This is when one pump becomes the better for that particular setup. Cost, space, expectations, maintenance, etc, are the major deciding factors.

[dreamintige']

Well, for those that are not looking to tackle a complete ballast install and fill/drain time is not an issue, our Plug-n-Play upgrade is ideal.

Yes, you are absolutely right. The plug and play ability is perfect for those who want that option. I couldn't agree more. Another big advatnage to doing a custom install to me is the 1" hose.

Now, if some one is spec'ing out a boat to order, and was up to doing a ballast install, as an option, I would suggest just going with the base level ballast option, then go with a traditional custom surf sac and plumb it in with its own pump and plumbing system.

You point is taken here as well. I just don't find the 250lb. hard tanks to be a necessity if you're going to be installing Enzo sacks. If you're doing that then loss of rear compartment storage space is really of no concern. It depends what is important to each individual.

Aerators V's Impeller pumps: We debated that time and time again. I sell and install many ballast systems using both types. Neither is better then the other while laying on the work bench. The pros and cons come into play when the system starts to get designed. This is when one pump becomes the better for that particular setup. Cost, space, expectations, maintenance, etc, are the major deciding factors.

Thank you for this. We're still fairly new to installing these systems we've done a half dozen or so to this point and this information is very helpful.

Unfortunately, if you go that route, then you lose the base 250-lb hard tank under the floor in each corner.

You could order the tanks in with the boat and have them installed on arrival along with the rest of the ballast system.

[chpthril]

Yes, you are absolutely right. The plug and play ability is perfect for those who want that option. I couldn't agree more. Another big advatnage to doing a custom install to me is the 1" hose.

In my flow testing i did last year (results posted here in the ballast section), I found that is was not really the .75 hose that slowed the flow, but it was the .75" Fly High sac fitting. So yes, I agree 100%, go with 1" hose, especially on the fill and drain, for optimal flow rate. In the grand scheme, there's not a huge over all cost diff between 1" and 3/4".

You point is taken here as well. I just don't find the 250lb. hard tanks to be a necessity if you're going to be installing Enzo sacks. If you're doing that then loss of rear compartment storage space is really of no concern. It depends what is important to each individual.

Since the hard tanks are under the floor (in the 09 and up), regardless of what sac you go with on top, you would be giving up 250lbs hard tank that would not impede the installation . Now, if we are talking about the 06-08 boats with the tanks across the rear, like the Ve/Rz models, or the tanks in the locker such as the 20V or Z1, Then yes, pulling the tank to make room for a surf sac is the ideal route.

I do not see an advantage to leaving off the hard tanks, then designing an expensive custom sac with a complex shape, just to fill in where that 250 hard tank was. At this point, the net result is about the same as leaving the hard tank in the floor and just going with the surf sac on top. it not right or wrong, just my perspective.

Thank you for this. We're still fairly new to installing these systems we've done a half dozen or so to this point and this information is very helpful.

You could order the tanks in with the boat and have them installed on arrival along with the rest of the ballast system.

[2thdoc01]

In an RZ2, the port fills to about 1200 and the starboard fills to 1000+. A little less in the RZR as its not as wide.

Yes, they come with the anchors. Its a 15 minute Plug-n-Play swap

What would be ideal for me is to have them plumb the pro system, and credit me for the front and rear sacs. I could then add the bigger sacs, which from what i gather, will fold up out of the way like the rear factory bags??

Does the tige touch recognize the customsac size when it reads the % full?

I want simple, so i dont want to be messing around.

[dingleberry]

What would be ideal for me is to have them plumb the pro system, and credit me for the front and rear sacs.

Ask Tige - I'm sure they would be willing to plumb it that way. But don't know how much credit they will give for deleting the sacs.

Does the tige touch recognize the customsac size when it reads the % full?

The % full is just based upon a timer. You can reset the system timer for whatever duration it actually takes whatever sacs you plumb in.

[talltigeguy]

Not to digress too far, but as CHP said, the main limiting factor for these systems is not usually the 3/4 inch hose. Even with it, the difference is not that much. If you are expecting half as much fill time with 1 inch hose, you will be disappointed.

[robert theisen]

My 2000 lbs of pro ballast fills in just under 10 minutes.It takes me that long to get my wakeboard vest and helmet on as well as set up the rope.It empties by the time Shirley gets every thing adjusted for her.The surf side set up takes about 8-9 minutes.We just have Stock rear sacs,the customs take longer i'm sure.My times allow for about 1 minute of overflow to get all the air out.

[2thdoc01]

Here are some color choices.....any thoughts? My boat gets trailered to lake, so it does not sit in water. I do have very hard water in the lakes around here...so lots of hard water spots!

Option 1 all white, with outlined black chevron and the free ride graphics.

[robert theisen]

White boats get water spots just like darker boats. If you wipe it down every time you take it out of the water the spots won't be a problem. If you don't wipe it the spots will dry on there,that's when they're hard to get off.

[2thdoc01]

choice 2...some reason I like this blue....even tho Im not a blue anything kinda guy....

[2thdoc01]

3rd option...I like the contrast with the dark gray....not sure what it looks like in person though.....

[robert theisen]

choice 2...some reason I like this blue....even tho Im not a blue anything kinda guy....

Of course i like this option.