I got a gripe with Tige!

[2thdoc01]

So priced out the RZ2 today vs the RZR that I put money down on. I have a few beefs with Tige...

1. Why is ballast standard on the RZR but not on an RZ2? To upgrade to surf ballast on RZR is 942 dollars and to get surf ballast on RZ2 is 3455 dollars.

2. Why is a tower...albeit not the alpha z tower...standard on the RZR and no tower is standard on the RZ2? Diff of 3800 vs 5300.

Who orders a Wakeboard boat without a tower???

3. Why would the boat show audio upgrade of 2 steps on a RZR take me to the tower of power REV 8, but on the RZ2 to get the same Tower of Power Rev 8 its a 3 step upgrade? That adds 2k for the board racks which were included in the pick 3.

The reason I ask is because its a 5k difference in price!

Kinda depressed....I may have to go back to a malibu to get the bigger beamed boat in a decent price.....

[robert theisen]

So priced out the RZ2 today vs the RZR that I put money down on. I have a few beefs with Tige...

1. Why is ballast standard on the RZR but not on an RZ2? To upgrade to surf ballast on RZR is 942 dollars and to get surf ballast on RZ2 is 3455 dollars.

2. Why is a tower...albeit not the alpha z tower...standard on the RZR and no tower is standard on the RZ2? Diff of 3800 vs 5300.

Who orders a Wakeboard boat without a tower???

3. Why would the boat show audio upgrade of 2 steps on a RZR take me to the tower of power REV 8, but on the RZ2 to get the same Tower of Power Rev 8 its a 3 step upgrade? That adds 2k for the board racks which were included in the pick 3.

The reason I ask is because its a 5k difference in price!

Kinda depressed....I may have to go back to a malibu to get the bigger beamed boat in a decent price.....

My neighbors at the lake ordered their 2007 24VE without a tower because they don't wakeboard.The Malibu MXZ is comparable in price to the RZ2.Tige also offers the 22VE which is less money than the RZ2.Also the Z1 is a 21ft. boat with a 100" beam compared to the RZR's 94" beam and the RZ2's 102" beam.The stereo can be installed at less expense by your dealer or local audio guru.The RZ2 is a top of the line 22'boat.Malibu makes a excellent boat also,but make sure your comparing apples to apples.A 21' boat will cost less than a 22' pickle fork boat.Good Luck!

[Nobody]

My neighbors at the lake ordered their 2007 24VE without a tower because they don't wakeboard.The Malibu MXZ is comparable in price to the RZ2.Tige also offers the 22VE which is less money than the RZ2.Also the Z1 is a 21ft. boat with a 100" beam compared to the RZR's 94" beam and the RZ2's 102" beam.The stereo can be installed at less expense by your dealer or local audio guru.The RZ2 is a top of the line 22'boat.Malibu makes a excellent boat also,but make sure your comparing apples to apples.A 21' boat will cost less than a 22' pickle fork boat.Good Luck!

What will a 24' pickle fork boat cost?

[robert theisen]

What will a 24' pickle fork boat cost?

Probably soooooo much only "NOBODY" could afford it.LOLBut seriously it would be more than the 22'.

[skippabcool]

May be kind of late for this but have you test driven any of the boats? There is a difference in even the RZ2 and 22Ve. The Ve is cheaper and you might find you like it better.

[2thdoc01]

I have driven the Z1 in 2008,a vride,which is what I had previously and then a Moomba LSV, I havent driven an RZR or an RZ2. I just have a hard time swallowing 80k for a boat....but I may have too...

[2thdoc01]

Would it be prudent to skip a ballast system and add my own? I had fly high sacs in my vride, but they were filled by hanging a tsunami pump over the side!Id prefer the stock system as it is clean.

As for the stereo...I had pro 60s put in with a sub and amp, and it was a crock...they guys who did it were hacks. The factory install is nicer...

[rensink]

So priced out the RZ2 today vs the RZR that I put money down on. I have a few beefs with Tige...

1. Why is ballast standard on the RZR but not on an RZ2? To upgrade to surf ballast on RZR is 942 dollars and to get surf ballast on RZ2 is 3455 dollars.
Well for starters look at the difference in weight of the boats without ballast, the Rz2 is already 1,050lbs heavier then the Rzr secondly Rz2 is 2 feet bigger so it'll cost more to put the surf system in it now 3,363 dollars more not sure would I opt on setting it up that way? maybe if you are concerned about surfing put in an enzo sac and save the difference or have the factory plumb the set up for adding sacs but no sacs?

2. Why is a tower...albeit not the alpha z tower...standard on the RZR and no tower is standard on the RZ2? Diff of 3800 vs 5300.

Who orders a Wakeboard boat without a tower???
You would be surprised on how many would order it without, secondly compare the beam differences RzR is 94inches and Rz2 is 102 inches takes more to produce it and install it if you have ever installed an Rz2 tower or have seen one installed it's no easy task watched them install one on my 2011 and lets say it's not easy but once again is it 1,500 dollar difference you decide to me I see it.

3. Why would the boat show audio upgrade of 2 steps on a RZR take me to the tower of power REV 8, but on the RZ2 to get the same Tower of Power Rev 8 its a 3 step upgrade? That adds 2k for the board racks which were included in the pick 3.
Once again different boats prices differ not getting into the stereo option as I've never compared the choices I've always opted for Tower of Power

The reason I ask is because its a 5k difference in price!

Kinda depressed....I may have to go back to a malibu to get the bigger beamed boat in a decent price.....

To me the Rz2 is a bigger boat, it's a better boat the RzR is great I love the fact they made it but Rz2's have always been up there in price you gotta pay for quality and the bigger boat I know the overall price difference is also there but ask yourself if the cost is worth the bigger boat and the equipment you want on it. I guess if you are getting quoted for an RzR to upgrade to an Rz2 for 5k then I kind of think it's a no brainer? Maybe it's 5k onto of the difference I'm not sure what a loaded RzR goes for around you or an Rz2 or what the pricing is on an RzR.

[Guma]

My opinion here, and I will caveat that by saying I don't know a whole lot about either boat, to include pricing or options.

I think of it this way. A customer wanting to get into wakeboarding, but has never owned a boat before walks into a dealer. The dealer shows them the RZR, it has these standard features (he lists the features that come on the boat) and costs this much, and here are a few options you can add on. This approach is going to be less overwhelming to this type of customer. Call this a price point boat if you want, I can't think of a better term for it.

If this same customer walked in, and the dealer showed them the RZ2, it comes with this (very short list), but you can add this, this, and this, and this, this and this, and this... Get my point? That customer is now turned off to the sale because it was too overwhelming and seems like too much of a pushy salesman.

I see your disagreement with the way these are priced, but you have to look at what is standard on the RZR and what is an option on the RZ2. I am guessing here, but I assume the Base Ballast Package in Standard on the RZR. This means to upgrade to Surf Level, they change/add some bags and that justifies the $900 upgrade. Where as on the RZ2, ballast is an option, so you are starting from nothing to get to the Surf Level Ballast. Starting from nothing is the key part. The $2600 Base Level Ballast is already worked into the price of the RZR. I only used the Ballast as a comparison, but this applies to the tower and audio packages as well. What is standard on the RZR and what is an option on the RZ2.

Why are these features, most of us will choose like ballast, tower, and audio packages, options instead of standard features? My guess is to keep the Base MSRP price at a minimum. I won't call it trickery, but when they can say the RZ2 starts at (making up a number here) $65,000, versus $75,000, which price do you think is going to get a customer in the door? And to note, Tige is not the only company that does this, they ALL do it.

I'll end this TLDR post by saying this... During my conversations (emails) with Tony at Forte's Inboard when ordering my Z3, one thing he told me was this, and this is not a quote, but a summary. Tige is trying to make ordering a boat as much about custom options as they can give each customer. Might help to think of the RZR as a cookie cutter boat, and the RZ2 as a custom boat the serious buyer will enjoy customizing to their individual taste.

[dom w. forte]

Bottom line you need to compare from brand to brand, size to size, option to option,performance to performance, and price out the door, oh and this is a big one dealer to dealer, I hope Tige is your choice their the best......

[Nobody]

Probably soooooo much only "NOBODY" could afford it.LOLBut seriously it would be more than the 22'.

Ha Ha Ha Ha......Nobody can afford one. Buy used and save $30K in one year is my advice.

Bottom line you need to compare from brand to brand, size to size, option to option,performance to performance, and price out the door, oh and this is a big one dealer to dealer, I hope Tige is your choice their the best......

Dom's correct, compare Mastercraft and you'll come back asking, "why does MC want $30K more for an X25 versus an RZ2?"

[Wakeman22]

Guma states it all so well. And Don is correct. Go check out a Mastercraft. $$$

[Nobody]

Guma states it all so well. And Don is correct. Go check out a Mastercraft. $$$

Dom is only correct 99% of time. The part about 300K miles on a old dodge van that never needed repairs makes us think he's nearing retardedment.

[rensink]

Guma is right on the money I'd say.

[Timmy!]

I replied in your other thread...good luck with your purchase! I vote RZ2, it's worth the extra money.