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**ecutter** · 01-13-2012, 03:38 PM

You should hit up Ragboy @ Wake9.com
He can give you all the details on that RZ4

**Timmy!** · 01-13-2012, 03:43 PM

Have you looked at the new Z3 yet? I think you should add it to your list as it is deeper than the RZ4 and is the same length (within a few inches). Once you sit in the Z3, all of the others seem shallow and it's like sitting on your couch at home with the seats coming very far up your back.

All of the Tige's ride good in big/rough water so you can't go wrong with any of them. The X35 is a nice boat, no doubt about it.

**91Terminator** · 01-13-2012, 03:45 PM

Well if your after big boat deep V comfort hands down Tige is going to win for a few key reasons.

1. Tige runs a stringer system that is made from Penskey extreme. An off shore race boat material that was developed by penskey racing to be lightweight and absorb shock. The stringer system in a tige is made with penskey and also the bulkheads. The MC has a one piece fiberglass simulated stringer system which is glued to the hull.

2. Tige's Pantented convex V hull and Taps 2 is the only adjustable hull on the market so in big open water you can easily trim the boat and get the bow a bit higher and let the V cut the water much like your I/O.

3. Tige glasses there hull and deck and all seat bases together for one solid unit. MC is screwed together at the sheer line (rub-rail).

We are in Cleawater/Largo FL nothing but intercostal and open ocean water ways which can get very very rough. Both boats have a good freeboard, Convex V is going to allow you to get better surf wakes on both sides with less weight. When it comes to surfing and any performance Q's you have let Ragboy chip in and help you out. Check out wake9.com great site very helpful.

**skippabcool** · 01-13-2012, 04:04 PM

x2 on checking out the Z3

**skippabcool** · 01-13-2012, 04:05 PM

And welcome to the site and good luck on your search.

As Terminator pointed out you can raise the bow in rough water. Some of the lakes that I go to get some big chop in the main channels and I can easily raise the bow for a smooth ride and no water coming over.

**JreisRZR** · 01-13-2012, 04:05 PM

Well I would think that when you get the TIGE you'll get a bit better deal, a bigger boat, more boat for a little less money. Of youre about wake boarding you're gunna get 2k of ballast from the factory twice as much as the MC. In terms of ride I think the rz4 would be better. Our 20 foot rzr handles waves equally to my buddies x-25 but without all the shakes and rattles, it just feels like a more solid boat. Dont worry about the center cushion, it's a cooler and it's a very nice feature. The only people that ever use the bow are girls looking to sun themselves anyways. Some negatives to the TIGE would probably come down to the creature comforts and ergonomics you prefer.

**CountryDMan** · 01-13-2012, 04:05 PM

I have seen some of Ragboy’s articles and videos which is really the reason I am looking towards a Tige’. Just up until a month or so ago, Tige was not represented in Illinois, so to be honest with you I knew next to nothing about them until last spring when I was in Missouri.

Thanks for the information so far guys.

Can you guys comment on water over the bow on a RZ2/4?
In my open bow it is a really bad day and poor driving to get water over the bow… (not that getting water over the bow is the end of the world, I just usually have little dudes up there)

I think there will be a Z3 at the show today. I thought I liked the pickle fork, but we’ll see!

**JreisRZR** · 01-13-2012, 04:31 PM

Never a problem here unless I absolutely slam the thing to the gills and turn over my own wakes. But I may not be the best source since its a 4 foot smaller boat

**Timmy!** · 01-13-2012, 04:32 PM

I've owned my RZ2 for almost 5 years now and I have taken water over the bow a few times. The one thing that I would recommend in your situation is that if you do get an RZ4, get a snap-on bow cover made for it that you can keep in the boat in case a storm kicks up and starts creating big waves because water will come over that bow if the waves are in the 2' or larger range. That would probably be the case with ANY wakeboard boat but a little more so withe RZ's because the nose does slope downward. We have only had 1 real incident with extreme water over the bow and that was due to a big storm with 3'+ waves and serious wind, the rest of the time has been easy living and a full time love affair with it!

Check out the bow in that Z3, it's pretty big and super comfortable. We have always kept our bow filler cushion in and then slid a soft sided cooler in underneath it so the new fixed bow cushion is pretty cool to our family. I also think you are going to fall in love with that Z3 once you see it in person, the lines and hull sculpture are beautiful in person!

**91Terminator** · 01-13-2012, 04:43 PM

Well if it's a Z3 the freeboard is so much higher it would be really tough to get water over the bow.

As for a RZ2/RZ4/X35 I wouldn't focus on taking water over the bow as your main decision. Bottom line is if your new to inboards with full weight and big wakes you will no matter what take water over the bow in any boat including the Z3. It's not a matter of design as it is the driver. Not saying that there isnt boats more or less likely to do it all I'm saying is you can give a good boat driver the worst inboard for taking water over and he won't do it cuz he knows how to drive.

Good luck in you search hope I helped.

**Timmy!** · 01-13-2012, 04:58 PM

Sorry, wasn't trying to scare you or say that they are bad, just know that it is a possibility but it's not a major issue. Tige has sold a LOT of RZ's and continues to do so. The X-Star is the one that you really have to worry about when loaded, that front end looks to be less than a 1' off of the water when loaded down.

**Gwyn** · 01-13-2012, 06:46 PM

Terminators comment is spot on regarding water over the bow. We have had our rz4 about 8 months took me a few weeks to get used to it, we use ours in sheltered sea, we were out today and was choppy but the biggest issue is definitely other wakes at slow speed due to the slope down to the bow. It scares the crap out of you first few times as the bow looks to dip but honestly it's not an issue drive sensibly and it's not a problem.
Apart from that the boat is fantastic, so much space, rides great and looks cool.

**91Terminator** · 01-13-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Gwyn View Post

Terminators comment is spot on regarding water over the bow. We have had our rz4 about 8 months took me a few weeks to get used to it, we use ours in sheltered sea, we were out today and was choppy but the biggest issue is definitely other wakes at slow speed due to the slope down to the bow. It scares the crap out of you first few times as the bow looks to dip but honestly it's not an issue drive sensibly and it's not a problem.
Apart from that the boat is fantastic, so much space, rides great and looks cool.

Exactly. Once you got used to it and understood how to keep the bow out of the water you were fine. Especially coming form an I/O, any inboard with weight in the bow is going to get very low to water especial if you just stopped moving. Its all about driving MC or Tige. Pick the boat that best fits your needs and comfort not the one that takes less or more water over the front is all I was saying cuz once you learn it that wont be an issue on either of them.

Gwyn got any pics of over there!

**skippabcool** · 01-13-2012, 08:00 PM

I concur with learning to drive an inboard. The other thing is to not do power turns back into your wake.

Slow and easy, keeps the bow dry

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