Tige newb R20 vs RZR

[swatguy]

So I finally have a Tige dealer in my area. Looking to check out these two boats and wondering what the differences are. From my search I have found that the R20 is the base model. Same hulls tho. Also the 20 has a limited option list. Unfortunately the dealer is a runabout dealer and can't really tell me jack about the boat or the wake . Stuff as options and what not. The just regurgitate the sales pitch.

I am long time towboat owner. Familiar with a ton of boats and their construction. Hence why I am.here. Was a rep for a diff mfg for 7 yrs. Really liked the revamped 20 v and its big water ride. Currently own a 2000 Xstar with about 2400 lbs of ballast. Have about 5 inverts and would say a solid intermediate rider. Have a young family. Wife and both girls 4 and 6 board. Live on a small private lake. We board 60-70% of time and surf the rest ( everyone is goofy footed) tho slaloming is making a comeback more and more for me. Currently debating a used 07-08 Nauty 210, used Nauti SV211, New Moomba Lsv, and the Tige

I am looking must have options of biggest balast package, hydraulic taps, pp, carpet. Probably stick w base engine as I am sure its plenty with the right prop. Basic stereo as I will keep al my wetsounds stuff out of my current boat.

Is the carpet/ vinyl a cheaper grade than Rzr? Amy other main differences? Also read you lose any bow storage with upgraded ballast. Any info I could get would be awesome. What am I looking at ballpark msrp? Apologize ahead of time for typos. On a cell

[chpthril]

The Basic difference is the availability of options, this is what keeps the R20 a price-point boat. If you wand more options and bling, it end up being the RZR. As far as I know, Tige uses the same method to build the hull of an R20 as it does an RZ4. They also use the same wight carpet and upholstery. At least in the past, an 07 20v was built the same as an 07 Rz2.

The R20 only comes with the base level ballast, so you would need to add some for surfing and boarding.

TAPS over the fixed plate is a must IMO.

With the Surf and Pro ballast on the other Tiges, you do lose bow storage. Not sure on the RZR as the one I was not ordered with ballast for some reason.

For boarding and skiing, the CC's are a good choice, but the surf wakes didnt blow up my skirt. Moomba has gone from being a cheap boat to a price-point Supra. Good quality boats and a lot deeper then they used to be. cant really comment on their wakes though.

[swatguy]

The newer 210 hull surfs very well. It's more of steeper surf wake with shorter pocket. The newer style Lsv hull throws great wakes in every category as well. As you mentioned Moomba has def stepped their game up. Their carpet is still less than desireable tho. I am very very familiar with the other boats I listed as I redeem them occassionally. The SV211 is what I spent the most time in tho right behind the LSV.

[robert theisen]

The RZR is the better boat to compare.Another TO bought a loaded R20 and spent the same as the RZR.Plus like Chpthril said more Ballast options on the RZR.

[chpthril]

The newer 210 hull surfs very well. It's more of steeper surf wake with shorter pocket. .

It was actually an 08 210 and 211 that I based my observations off of. Very short pocket and the steepness wanted to grab the nose of the board. For an occasional surfer, it would prolly be fine.

The new Moomba LSV hull is actually a Supra hull IIRC.

[chpthril]

The RZR is the better boat to compare.Another TO bought a loaded R20 and spent the same as the RZR.Plus like Chpthril said more Ballast options on the RZR.

It would actually make sense for a loaded R20 to be in the ballpark of an RZR with the same options.

[NICKYPOO]

I equate the R20 vs RZR to the old Chevy truck packages. The RZR would be a Silverado while the R20 would be a Custom Deluxe.

TAPS is a must.

PM chpthrl about doing a plug and play ballast upgrade.

What is the base motor? I'm all for motor upgrades. More power = less RPM = less strain, less fuel = +$. Cheaper to run, easier to sell later.

Welcome to the site.

[JreisRZR]

we looked at both models, ended up with an RZR so we could get the alpha z tower and more gel coat combos

the r20 and rzr are essentially the same boat. What you loose in the r20 is some stereo options, the alpha z tower, tige touch and a flahy interior. build is the same ballast is the same, everything is essentially the same you just get mor standard on the rzr and upgrades to everything i listed above.

as far as the wake goes its nice and steep with a good lip, up to about my knee gives good boot, real wide though. A little on the softer side but thats fine because of the vertical pop you get, makes landings a little easier

[BrownClown]

I very good friend of mine bought a black and white one from the Austin, TX dealer about a month ago. He's a tournament slalom guy, but wanted something with great seating for the family. they just moved to Austin and are building a house and getting established in the area, so the RZR was a bit out of their range.

He's used to skiing and teaching out of CCs and Bu's, so you know where he's coming from. He's very happy with the wake size for skiing and can't get over how much storage the boat has. It totally blows him away. Ballast came with the boat, but I'm not sure which package it has.

Also, it has the 303 which is says is plenty. He was used to skiing in Denver for the past 15 years, so he says it's all perspective. He claims it sips gas.

All in all a very satisfied R20 owner.

Go get a test drive and see what you think.

[Kight & Christine]

Originally Posted by robert theisen
The RZR is the better boat to compare.Another TO bought a loaded R20 and spent the same as the RZR.Plus like Chpthril said more Ballast options on the RZR.
It would actually make sense for a loaded R20 to be in the ballpark of an RZR with the same options.

I dont understand this but ok you got alot of good feed back think the best is the Chevy truck packages

We started out looking at used boats at the beginning of this last summer and found out we could get some pretty sweet deals but since we didn’t really know much about boat ownership so we decided to look into new boats. We got the R20, which is perfect for us, however, hands down the RZ2 Z Tower and paint make the RZ2 way cooler looking. Most boat dealers didn’t really want to give out pricing but from what I was told the RZ2 started around $55-65K and the R20 started around $40-50K. We got ours for $47k. We customized the paint and went with black on the outside with white accents and was told by everyone that black was a very bad idea. But we clean it after every time out and the paint still looks new after using it all the summer. We also got a cushion for the back walk through, a cooler in the front, bimini top, TAPS2, Tige carpet, Tige boat cover, depth finder and dock lights. I started wakeboarding around 8 years ago on an older Tige and we pretty much had to fill up the fat sacks every time. With the new R20 I have never used my built in sacks. I can get a really good pop with the TAPS at 7 and speed around 22-23 mph. Check out my page if you want pics. We have since added tint and tower speakers.

[Kight & Christine]

OOOPss Sorry RZR

[swatguy]

So was able to check out both at the dealer today, they were side by side. So that made it easy

Holy crap was there a ton of storage in that thing in the common areas. I really really liked the fact they still use aerator pumps and each has it's own pick up. Such a simple cost effective design. Aerators run much faster as well and have way less issues from my experience. Only thing I noticed was that they were attched to pvc valves. I thought anything below the waterline required brass shutoff valves per regulations. The standard driver's seat was comfy and the view was super clear. No dash parts that rise up and inhibit the view.

As far as the R20 vs the RZR the diamond stitch on the RZR is sharp. Also loved the grab handles and rubrail. Really liked the fold down platform as well. Tige touch was a breeze to flow through. I could go either way on the tower. Neither one screamed at me more than the other. So there were some questions I had that the dealer couldn't answer.
1) is the standard tower bimini an over the top bimini as well?
2) The RZR had these corner cushions that flipped over and had carpet on the other side. They were super unstable at first try upside down with carpet up. I could see a ton of people as well as my daughters wiping out. Was that standard on the RZR or an option?
3)Seems like they used a bag and not tanks up front. Anbody know what bag it is? Is it a fly high integrated bow sac or something similar, or is it 2 seperate bags on each side of the bow? I thought I saw 4 through hulls and pumps, but I cant recall.



There were 3 major things I really didn't like in both boats tho and am curious what you owners have to say. In order of importance to me...
1) There is no driver's throttle armrest. I was lost with my throttle hand. Was weird as heck
2) the storage compartment acess layout. While the bow compartment and the long benches in the rear were easy to access.....the observers seat as well as the engine storage compartment with the fiberglass lid were a pain to get in and out of. It took a ton of contorting that observer seat to get it free and rise up. The glass section of the engine hatch would not stay up with the single gas shock. Also both rear hatches realy put huge amount of pressure on the rear center engine hatch vinyl when open. It really smushes it down.
3) both batteries are all the way in the rear. This kind of makes it hard to run all the stereo stuff. Also on my current boat and previous (6) those hatches back there get water from people coming in and out so often. Is that an issue?


Overall the boats made great impression on me. Drove like a dream. Blew the current X2 out of the water handling wise and ride wise. Couldn't ride the wake at all as I have 17 anchors that were just drilled in my shoulder for a completely 360 degreee torn labrum and torn bicep. Was also extremely impressed with rock solidness of the the standard tower. They actualy had a video of both boats side by side on the water in a race. The 343 barely and I mean barely edged it out. I am guessing just like most companies base and next level up engine the torque curves on the low end are almost identical. Its only noticeable at the very top end.

Wasn't expecting a 63k msrp price tag on the standard R20 though with basic options. Snap in carpet, taps 2, depth finder,cover,bimini,standard trailer. Just kind of surprised me ALOT. As well as the 88k tag on the RZR optioned out. While I know again its MSRp still caught me by surprise. A decked out X2 isn't even that much. Just my thoughts so far. Like I said though......really impressed at first glance. Just got some thinking to do and most importantly take the boss/driver out for her test drive and first look.

[skippabcool]

One thing to take into consideration would be resale. If you ever had to or wanted to sale the boat would one sale better over the other? Just my a RZR would sale easier but maybe slightly more. I know many people like more options when buying something.

[91Terminator]

1. gonna have to explain what you mean about the bimini more for me to help.

2. The RZR Cushions are standard. Once you get used to them you will like them. Since this is where most people step the carpeted board will keep your vinyl from splitting the stitches and tearing if anybody has dirty shoes or feet or something sharp on there shoes or feet it wont really hurt the carpet or board.

3. it is a fly high bag. Single bag on the basic 900 lbs system, and on the surf 1600 lbs system. if the boat has the 2000 lbs system it switches to 2 separate bags. There is 4 thru hulls and fill pumps no matter what bag/bags are in there. Also 4 empty pumps no mater what bag/bags are up there. So makes upgrading very simple.

4. Did the observe seat have the new grab strap on the corner of it? Tige has began to install these now. If it doesn't ask the deal to install it. With the vinyl strap opening the observe seat is a breeze.
Not sure about the shock never had that problem maybe that boat had a bad shock. We have not seen a problem of any sort with the vinyl smooshing a bit when opening the hatches its about the same pressure as when we sit on the seats. Tige has run the gull wing hatches for a long time opening in towards the boat makes it much easier to load things into the compartment from the dock/or when its on the trailer. On the 20fters a lot of people around here store them in the garage and loading and unloading equipment in the garage on the trailer is much easier being able to access it form the side not having to go on the platform and open the rear hatches out and get stuff...especially if you have a tight garage and the platform has to come off.

Hope that helps good luck in your boat search. Welcome to the forum.

[swatguy]

Also one more quick thing tat dealer couldnt answer.


What if anythiing is different on an 11 fron the 12. I found a brand new 11 R20 at what seems to be great price with most the options I want and the same exact color as my current scheme as my current ride. Out of the area ,.......however its a left over and I am sure if the old rules are in play...... leftovers don't fall under territory issue. While I would like to support the local dealer, having been the local dealer at one point, if they can't meet me I would still hate to pass up the chance at boat I like. Would still offer my services of demos and what not to the local dealer if they needed/wanted it being so involved in the sport and so local to the new dealer.