z1 purchase - still looking

[bamabonners]

my local dealer has the z1 equipped the way I want (loaded), but he does not want to come off the 68k price tag. Nelem marine has a z1 that is very basic - smaller engine, not depth finder, and cheaper trailor for 55k.

I started looking at my local Malibu dealer and I can get a new VLX (21 foot) for 72k with all the maliview and touch screen stuff as well. They even have a VTX (20 foot) for low 60k with lots of options as well.

Shouldn't the z1 be priced well below the Malibu? Isn't the z1 Tige's "entry level" wakeboard boat? Does my dealer not understand that or is the boat really priced in the league with the Malibu?

FYI, the RZ2 is like 75k.

I really don't want to go over 60, but i can creep over if I feel that I am getting a good deal.

PS - if you come across anyone looking for a really clean 2008 Chaparral 204ssi with low hours and lots of options, send them my way.

[Timmy!]

The R20 is actually the entry level boat. The Z1 used to be. Try Wakeboard & Waterski Specialty in Denver, looks like he has one coming in:
http://waterskispecialty.com/Tige/Boats/Z1.html

Those prices seem a little on the high side to me but I haven't really priced out boats lately. Shop around the country and you can probably find an RZ2 for $60k (either used or a leftover from last year).

[brett22i]

The term "entry level" is an over used term when dealers/manufacturers like to describe a price point boat. A boat that has basic options will come with a basic price and termed "entry level". You said it best when you stated "equipped the way I want (loaded)" it is no longer an entry level boat, its now a custom spec ordered boat which comes with a hefty price tag.
With that being said, I have no idea what options are included, but $68K is pricey even if it had every option available. Sounds as if the dealer is holding his ground as many dealers are doing, hoping to make as much as they can rather than sell cheap and pray for more volume sales.

[bamabonners]

wow, you guys are quick to respond.

Honestly, i don't need loaded. I am a geek and I really like all the bells and whistles and gadgetry. My must haves are upgraded engine, depth finder, good ballast, good stereo, interior space, good storage, and good trailor (we tow to different lakes).

[bigdaddy_houseboater]

I have a 2007 20i. I want 27k. It's got an upgraded MP 383 with a veritable shitload of horsepower, and with the money you save on a new boat, you could geek out to your hearts content.

[91Terminator]

The term "entry level" is an over used term when dealers/manufacturers like to describe a price point boat. A boat that has basic options will come with a basic price and termed "entry level". You said it best when you stated "equipped the way I want (loaded)" it is no longer an entry level boat, its now a custom spec ordered boat which comes with a hefty price tag.
With that being said, I have no idea what options are included, but $68K is pricey even if it had every option available. Sounds as if the dealer is holding his ground as many dealers are doing, hoping to make as much as they can rather than sell cheap and pray for more volume sales.

If your not a dealer and dont know what it takes to be one run one and buy and sell these boats how do you know and can say that that is high?

We just let our 2011 Z1 go for about 63 with no racks no tower speakers and a basic sound system 343, tandem axle galvy paint over, bimini, the Z1 competes directly with the VLX.

As stated above you pay for what you want, a loaded boat weather its a moomba an R20 or whatever is no longer an entry level boat. If you want all the goodies then you will have to pay the price.

[bigdaddy_houseboater]

Term, I appreciate the cost to run a dealership. I worked for Central Coast Watersports in the 90's selling Tige's, and it's a tough gig for sure. Still, 63 grand for an entry level boat is a hard peach to chew. Boats are so pricey these days.

I bought my first house for $71,950... lol

If your not a dealer and dont know what it takes to be one run one and buy and sell these boats how do you know and can say that that is high?

We just let our 2011 Z1 go for about 63 with no racks no tower speakers and a basic sound system 343, tandem axle galvy paint over, bimini, the Z1 competes directly with the VLX.

As stated above you pay for what you want, a loaded boat weather its a moomba an R20 or whatever is no longer an entry level boat. If you want all the goodies then you will have to pay the price.

[robert theisen]

Term, I appreciate the cost to run a dealership. I worked for Central Coast Watersports in the 90's selling Tige's, and it's a tough gig for sure. Still, 63 grand for an entry level boat is a hard peach to chew. Boats are so pricey these days.

I bought my first house for $71,950... lol

I bought my first house for 30,000.I almost paid 3 times that for my new boat.You have to set up a budget and see what fits in the budget.Go test drive the boats you like and buy what you like.After all YOU are the one making the payments.We will try and help you with our experience,but we need information to do that.I think we are getting a clearer picture now.You want to stay close to 60,000 and have a good all around boat that isn't an entry level boat.To me a bayliner is a entry level boat coming in around 10000.To you it may be something else.You will recieve alot of very helpful information on here just keep asking questions.

[skippabcool]

Bama, even with information on here from others that have paid less your dealer sounds set on his price. As Term stated there are other factors rather than just the cost of the boat. Even in the used boat market the prices vary by region. Several have traveled to find the right boat.

We may be able to better help you find what you are looking for it you give us some additional information. Right now we know that you are looking to spend no more than $60. Your looking for a multi purpose boat to ski, surf, wakeboard, and lounge. You want plenty of room for yourself, wife, son, friends, and neighbors. Is that about 6 or so? We also know that you have asked for upgraded engine, depth finder, good ballast, good stereo, interior space, good storage, and good trailer (we tow to different lakes). What is your definition of good? I have to do expectations in my work and I stress that the expectation needs to be quantifiable. Good is not, because good to you and me are different. Is good bling or is good solid and dependable, etc....


What we don't know does it have to be a 2011? Does it have to be new? What color does it need to be? Are you willing to travel or pay to have it shipped? WABoating lives in WA and had one shipped from FL last year. You mentioned that your wife liked the RZ2, is that an option? Are you set on the Z1?

You will get lots of opinions to many things but if we don't know what you want we can't help, except for give you a bunch of bad information. If you are set on a new 2011 Z1 that is close to you than it seems you have two options. At that you will either have to pay for what you want or pay less and get less.

Have you checked any of the information from the last thread?

Hope this doesn't come across bad. This is just my I think that we would all like to see you in a boat and would love to help.

[wakeboarderfil]

Don't worry that "dealership" doesn't sell..other than bass boats and maybe a few runabouts a year.. They have had the same boats since I moved down to Huntsville.. They're high and trying to get them to get parts is like pulling teeth... I would highly recomend going elsewhere unless he proves to you otherwise...

[91Terminator]

Term, I appreciate the cost to run a dealership. I worked for Central Coast Watersports in the 90's selling Tige's, and it's a tough gig for sure. Still, 63 grand for an entry level boat is a hard peach to chew. Boats are so pricey these days.

I bought my first house for $71,950... lol

See there is the problem Entry level means whatever the company that creates it wants it to mean. If ferrari had an entry level sports car do you think it will be 10K? No its going to be slightly less then what the average Ferrari goes for and it will definitely not have any options.

Therefore what Tige makes as an entry level Tige is going to cost a bit less then a normal Tige. What Malibu makes will cost less then a malibu, what mc makes will cost less then an mc. But that does not mean they will all be 10K 20K 30K the Tige will be lets say 50K the Bu will be 55K the MC will be 70K. Yet they are all "entry level" boats.

The entry level ferrari will be 200K and the entry level honda will be 10K. Does that mean that the ferrari's "entry level" isnt really and entry level?

Bottom line is if you want a boat with all the goodies and "loaded" its doesn't matter what it was supposed to be its not going to be cheap.

[Fiveflat]

The stripped "entry" level Tige is the R20 for around $46k

[skippabcool]

Just my but for the options you want and what you want to pay your best option or biggest bang for the buck is a demo, leftover, or slightly used boat (but you may have to travel).

If that is the case there are several options that I can get you information on.

[bamabonners]

thanks for all the info guys/gals. I am learning what "entry level" really means. It is a relative term and does not mean cheap. I am not set on 2011, but for storage sake I do think 21 foot is going to be the right size.

I have contacted Tige dealer in Rogers, Arkansas and they have 3 2010 z1 that are priced very well and equipped very well. FWIW, Kim was extremely helpful. They are used to selling boats out of state and seem to really know the ins and outs of it.

[bigdaddy_houseboater]

No matter what happens in this thread... it looks like you are just about ready to spend 60 grand on a boat. Summers here... git er done...