New TIGE 24V owner...get the boat home and disaster

[embo]

Yes, you are probably right. Hard for me to keep up with the different boats all have had and currently have. It definetly seems to vary some from boat to boat that is for sure.

[MooseX]

spent 13 bucks on some pipe insulation and moused' out these ghetto board racks. I glued the insulation with some Plumbers Goop.. Not as pimp as Duffy's Dakine specials but they work.

[duffymahoney]

nicely done!

[MooseX]

thanks..took me an hour and change 'cause that aluminum is fkin tough. My jigsaw was helpless so I broke out the grinder

There still room for a skinny ocean board

here it is in action on a busy sunday at the harbor>

[MooseX]

here's a shot of the port wave. We put both 150 bricks on the step, 1500 in the locker. It still seems to lack any power and push. Hell my board is 5'2" ..should push that bastid' right along. Tommorow we start adding bow weight. The tac says 3000 and the speedo is way off so I don't watch that. Taps at 4..and sometimes 5. Should I go higher with the trim tab or lower? Seems when it's down the wave gets long but smaller ie loses power

[embo]

Where is the rubrail? Above, below or at waterline?

[MooseX]

above by about a foot

[duffymahoney]

I run taps at 2. How much do you weight? Each board has a weight limit.

[embo]

above by about a foot

Well, I'm no expert, not even close but Ragboy had talked about this aspect of building a good wake. Somebody my correct me but I believe I remember him basically saying you need to have the rubrail at the water line to get the most out of your wake. Above and your not getting all that you should and if your rubrail is below the water line then you probably are over doing it and actually doing more harm than good. I suspect this depends on the boat each person is using but I have subscribed to this thought and it has increase the wake behind our boat. It seems like most vids out there have the back of the boat (rubrail) at the water line. And of course I am talking about the last bit of rubrail and NOT the entire length of the boat.

Maybe Ragboy will read this and comment but this is my understanding.

Below is a vid I saw on youtube. Within the first few minutes you can see where their rubrail is. Even sitting there at a stand still the rubrail is only inches away from the water line. Yes, I know these guys are pros but... I no pro, never will be but I suspect there is something to be learned here. Maybe someone with a 24 footer will chime in here.

I am not promoting the shred stixx or anything like that just a vid I was watchig trying to pick up on how to do things and since this seems to apply to this thread I thought I would put it in here.



This is another promo vid for the Walker Project. The rear end is buried as well. I think this is Surfdad's last boat which was a 23' boat if I remember right. But then again maybe my memory is failing.



Here is a quote from Ragboy regarding this issue on a previous thread:

The only issue with that is, the optimal angle seems to be, rubrail kissing. More sink would put the rubrail underwater. I have done this for R&D purposes. 2 things happen.

1. Rubrail cuts into the wake. Probably is more cosmetic, but definitely makes it dirty.
2. Unsafe. Water up this high, over the rubrail is unsafe in my opinion unless glassy conditions, no other boats.

Hmm, one more thing. We noticed when weighted like that that when you adjusted Taps up to 3+, the wave actually started to distort, it was very strange. The weight we had this weekend, with the custom sacs, the wake was about as big, and as much push, but was CLEAN, and didn't have this weird distortion. We put taps up to 5 once, with Mitch riding, I will find the video. The wake just turned into a WALL behind him. It was funny. It got way short, but it was a literal WALL. You can't tell as much in the video, but in the boat, it was cool. No distortion in the wave.

This was in the "22 vs 24" thread I found when searching this topic.

[MooseX]

I weigh 270 err I mean 170. Not heavy at all and 6 foot tall

that first vid the wave looks a lot like mine...at least somewhat

Maybe I'm on too long of a board for the pocket...no? Most of the time I'm waay too close to the boat

I've got a 5'0" I'm trying for the first time tommorow. Soon I'm looking for something short like what he's riding in the second vid'. Surfdad looks kinda young

[MooseX]

Just to clarify>

A Taps setting of 1 means the trim tab is all the way ____..AND that _____ to the wave.

A Taps setting of 7 means the trim tab is all the way ___ and makes the wave _____.

[embo]

1= plate down, which usually not always cleans up the wake but flattens it out a bit too.

7= plate is up, which seems to steepen the wake and sometimes can "dirty" the wake up but seems to produce some great push.

Remember to let the wake "build" and not rush it. I find that people are thinking the wake is dailed in for that session but even when the boat seems to be "on plane" for the config you are running, the wake is still building as speed increases. Speed increasing just a little bit of the adjustment of the taps plate from 3 to 3.5 or when you reach from the driver's seat to get something out of the glove box, all affect the wake in small ways. Sometimes moving someone 1' will make a pretty big difference.

I suspect this is different for all as well but from my very limited experience in our 05 22v, a good start point is taps at 3 and speed around 9.5 using Perfect Pass. Then I start making adjustments from there. Like many have said, it takes some playing around with the speeds, weights and taps to get what you want for that particular surf session. I am hoping to get some experts from this forum to ride with me sometime and tell me what I can do to get things better.


Note, that is James Walker not Surfdad in the beginning of the vid. Surfdad is later in the vid. It's an older vid of them. Great vid just the same though!

[duffymahoney]

Moose, go out and barrow a bigger board. The bigger guys on my crew ride the Shred Stixx ja mako. I weight 165 so the wave have tons and tons of push, but I am running a lot more weight then you are and I weight less I have 100#'s of lead shot in my transom sac as well. So it weights around 250.

[MooseX]

not sure if I can drag more weight at this altitude. With 3 people in the boat we were gettin close to the limit of power..believe it or not. Sounds crazy but at this altitude I'm like 40 hp down from your boat Duffy


The wave was good today though. I got the hang of it and the wave def' had more push. We missed the glass by 1/2 hour and ended up surfing in a slight chop..

We're goin out early tommorow for some calm water

[duffymahoney]

Nice bud. I know water depth has a ton to do with push as well. I never surf in water below 15 feet.