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    #16
    Don't want to piss in your corn flakes but usually there is a reason the "price is right". If you are thinking about power right out of the gate, this should be giving you a possible flag (color to be determined). Sounds like you have a little different circumstance than most if your at 5000ft.

    With a base motor and no trailer it should be a really really good deal. It would be interesting to know why the guy who has the boat "just doesn't have time to use it". There is a reason he is using the "bigger" boat. Maybe it's not the amount of peeps he can have on board but the bigger engine that the bigger boat has.

    I suspect you have been looking long and hard trying to find the "right" boat. I hope this one is the right one for you, but in this case, I think it would be REALLY IMPORTANT to test this puppy out in the conditions you are going to be using it in.

    It is always nice to have some wiggle room in the the space and power department instead of wishing you had something a little bigger or with more power after the first year of boating.

    Why am I saying this, cause I made this error myself. I got a boat that was the great deal but at the end of the first year, I was so done with stepping on people and gear trying to get around in the boat. And then I had the smaller engine too which could do the job but about the time I wanting to deap water starts for skiing, I was wishing I had the bigger engine.

    I have never been in a Z1, I have been in a 20v with a 340 and I own a 22v with a 340 and they both perform GREAT! First year of having the 22v we put 1100 lbs sacs in the rear (filling to about 800-900 lbs) and 400lbs sas in the sides. This is going to be our second season and I just ordered another 800 lbs of sacs to add to what we already have. The wake was great last summer but I think it can get even better after reading how others weight their boats.

    So after only one year we are adding weight and we just got started. I really wonder if you are at 5000ft with 275hps engine and if you put some ballast in that puppy how it will perform. Others have eluded to this, I am just being a little more direct.

    LWNDR having a 320hp motor is 45 more ponies and that doesn't seem like it would make that much of a difference but I suspect it WILL.

    Please don't take this wrong, I am not an expert at all. It's just my opinion and it might not be worth much but look at the majority of the theme of the comments.

    Well, I hope I didn't piss all over your corn flakes but I would want someone to just tell it straight. Sounds like most wouldn't have much of a problem with this boat if it was at sea level.

    Good Luck....there is a boat out there for you I am sure!

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      #17
      I live 30 minutes from Lake of the Ozarks and I can guess why he is selling it. That lake is crazy busy and I would hate to be in a 20' boat out there. I would be glad to run down there and check it out if you need me to. I'm not sure it would help much since the elevation is so much different but I can tell you how it performs here. PM me if you want me to help you out with anything.

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        #18
        I would suggest that you call wws and ask them the price difference of the smaller engine compared to the bigger engine for the z1. Then I would ask them if they would recommend buying a z1 with the base 275 horsepower engine .

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          #19
          Originally posted by jmitchell View Post
          majestic can you expand on why you didn't like the smaller engine? What model was it on?
          As I said my comparison is probably not fair as our first boat was a 18' maxim and to save money we got the base motor and it struggled bad. We had to re-prop it and still had a hard time with more than a few people in the boat. When we bought the boat we said "we don't need more" but within a few weeks we were adding stereo tower and it just kept going. I would hate for you to find a great boat and be so happy about it that you settle with something you won't be happy with in the long run. My advice...drive the boat see what you think than go drive one with the bigger motor.

          With all that being said that is a great looking boat and I love the Z. If you were to ask me straight up would I buy this boat? No.. but I'm not you and don't know how you would use it. A 275 horse motor would probably work well for a runabout but these are heavy boats. Most of us are re-proping our larger motors in boats like my 22ve which doesn't weigh much more than a Z1 but we are also putting 1000 lbs of water weight in them which I never imagined I would when I purchased mine.

          Good luck with your search.

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            #20
            Here's a trailer that might work.

            http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/boa/2336477929.html

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              #21
              Beautiful boat but I wouldn't buy it with the 275hp engine up here. Right off the bat you are down 18-20% on power just by being in CO. Call it 20% which is a 55hp loss so now you are down to 220hp. Does that still sound as good? The first thing you would do is re-prop it for the altitude (1235) and then maybe you could get different gears in the transmission? If you're going to be surfing, you will want more ballast like the others have said. Also, the Z1 is still a 3,700 lb boat which isn't exactly light! 275hp in an I/O would be perfect but IMO you will want more in a wakeboat. Also, think about resale here in Colorado as well, the base engine is going to be a hard sell.

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                #22
                The Verdict

                Thanks to all who responded here on the forum and thanks to all the help that I received from various Tige dealers around the country, but we have opted to NOT purchase this boat due to the engine size. We spoke with Bill @ WWS and although he didn't say that it wouldn't work for us, he basically said it's just not the right engine for the altitude and that boat. There were also some basic features on the boat that were missing and for us would need to be added (i.e. depth finder).

                With all that being said, someone is still bound for a good deal on this boat either in the area or somewhere near sea level. The boat is priced at $35,000 for a 2010 Z1 with 14 hrs. The people at Glencove Marine have been a pleasure to work with and this boat (I believe) will still sell fast. No trailer, but we got a quote for a new trailer of roughly $4,300 plus delivery.

                Here is the link to the ad...
                http://www.boatcrazy.com/search/details.php?id=25713

                Thanks to everyone for their honesty and help on this topic. I still have hope that our boat is out there....somewhere...

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                  #23
                  I think you will be happy with your decision in the long run. It took me all last year to finally find mine but I am glad that I ended up with it and the others before it fell through.

                  Good luck on your continued search.

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                    #24
                    You might regret that motor at 5K elevation. I lived in Steamboat for 7 years and learned first hand. That motor will lose over 25% of its power due to elevation alone above 3000'.
                    Be careful!!!!!!!
                    Biggest lake addict on the planet

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                      #25
                      2010Tige Z1

                      I just purchased a 2010 Tige Z1; what do you consider as a great price?

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                        #26
                        jmitchell, are you willing travel for your boat and if so how far is too far? What is your price range? What are you show stopper gotta haves?

                        I know it might be a little farther (400 miles) and not a 2010 but it seems to have everything including the trailer. Just don't know the hours.

                        http://nashville.craigslist.org/boa/2260078522.html

                        You probably already saw this but just in case. Just trying to help a future Tige Owner out.
                        Last edited by embo; 04-23-2011, 06:24 AM.

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                          #27
                          There is a bimini on that boat....where has it gone since the picture was taken? You said it does not have one.

                          so it has been outside for 1 year with no cover?

                          I would suggest you not buy it sight unseen. We have some owners in the area, one of them might be willing to go look at it for you, if you buy them some of their favorite beverage.

                          With that engine, you will take a hit on resale, like I assume the current owner is. Whether it is reality or not, perception is that this engine is going to struggle.
                          Be excellent to one another.

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                            #28
                            After I sold my 07 20V Things turned around economically and I started to look at replacing mine. The 20V was still what I was looking for and I found one for $36K 500 miles away. My original 20V had the MP 340 while the closeout had the PCM 300hp 5.0. I was concerned about the difference in performance so I got a test ride in the closeout and with 1 or 2 peeps it felt similar to the MP 340. With 5 adults and me trying to get up on slalom you could definetly feel the difference in power.

                            The MP340 just popped me up while the 300hp had to work to get me up. This was when the 20V was over 3500 lbs dry and the newer R20 ans Z1 are lighter.
                            Needless to say we passed on the closeout. It was a fantastic price and nice but if you are not happy with too little power the boat will not keep you happy in the long haul.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Thomas2010 View Post
                              I just purchased a 2010 Tige Z1; what do you consider as a great price?
                              I would be curious as well what the group thinks would be a good buy on a 2010 Z1. I located another 2010 Z1 much further away that was a dealer demo but only has 7 hrs. Fairly stripped down and doesn't have the Alpha-Z tower, but very clean and seems like a decent buy. What kind of price range should we be at with this boat?

                              E-tower
                              Heaters
                              No Bimini
                              Swing Board Racks
                              Wetsounds Interior System
                              No Tower Speakers
                              343HP Engine (YES!!!!)
                              Tige Cover

                              I already checked NADA and $38.7K is low and $44.2K is high without trailer. What should I look out for in a Demo boat as well?

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by jmitchell View Post
                                I would be curious as well what the group thinks would be a good buy on a 2010 Z1. I located another 2010 Z1 much further away that was a dealer demo but only has 7 hrs. Fairly stripped down and doesn't have the Alpha-Z tower, but very clean and seems like a decent buy. What kind of price range should we be at with this boat?

                                E-tower
                                Heaters
                                No Bimini
                                Swing Board Racks
                                Wetsounds Interior System
                                No Tower Speakers
                                343HP Engine (YES!!!!)
                                Tige Cover

                                I already checked NADA and $38.7K is low and $44.2K is high without trailer. What should I look out for in a Demo boat as well?
                                If it has the full 3 year warranty I'd Tell them 41K if you go get it and 43K if they deliver it
                                "Failing to prepare is preparing to fail" John Wooden- Rest in Peace

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