24V Tires blowing out

[talltigeguy]

Carlisle tires

BTW,

I am the king of bad luck with tires. My 02 21V had carlisle tires. They started to bulge all over the place, every one of them. You'd think I'd be pretty quick at changing them by now. Extreme was very kind and sent me new ones (a different brand).

[walkers2rad]

Anybody looking to upgrade?

To new raised white letter goodyear marathons on five spoke aluminum wheels check out these, it seems like a pretty good deal at little over $500 for a whole set of four mounted and all: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Goody...spagenameZWDVW
Seller is in miami Oklahoma so if you were close to there it would save you shipping, but the seller seems to have fairly decent shipping prices.

BTW: if anybody wants to do this and dont know what to do with your current wheels and tires, I could use them for a boat I am selling that has a miss matched set. Let me know what you have and what you want for them... I would prefer a set of the chrome steel modular looking directional ones with goodyear tires, but for the right price I would take a set of Carlile redials.
Thanks, Ray

[walkers2rad]

Looks like all of that link did not make it, if this does not work go to e-bay and search goodyear marathon.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Goody...spagenameZWDVW
Ray

[jsz]

thanks for the "long reply" summer obsession. a lot of good info there. you might be able to help out on another one. car tires have ratings for treadware, temperature, and traction (example: tread-420, temp-B, traction-B) Is there any such rating for trailer tires exept the amount of plys?

earlier someone mentioned the amount of wear tires get from just sitting through the winter. I covered my tires last year and this year plan on putting the whole trailer on jack stands to take the weight off the tires. any thoughts on how much this will extend the life of the tires???

[ghollow]

I do not know if lifting them off the ground will help or not, but I have always been told to not leave the tires sitting on dirt or grass over the winter. Park your trailer on concrete or boards. If not, the part of the tire that has ground contact will rot faster. Cover the tire to protect them from the sun also makes them last longer

[NICKYPOO]

I think the main "rating" your looking for is the load range. These are alphabetical, A being the lowest and E being the highest.

[Morry Jones]

Tlr tire ratings

I pretty sure the "trailer tires" do not have ratings. This is only required for passenger and light trucks. As far as how much longer will trailer tires last if covered and the trailer put on jack stands etc. I would have to ask "How Long is a Piece of String" There are just to many variables. Load ratings are another misunderstood fact. 4 ply=B, 6ply=C, 8 ply=D, etc. Years ago it used to be actual ply’s now they are just ratings. Your passenger tires are 2ply but have a 4ply rating. Now back to trailer tires. 6ply rating is what most trailer manufacturers recommend for our boats. If you decide to put an 8ply rated tire on it doesn't mean you have a better tire just that it will carry more weight. With the current 14 inch 6ply tires at max pressure I only had a 400lbs. window of gross vehicle weight. What I did was go from 205-75-14 size to 205-75-15 tires. Yes it was a bit taller but still worked very well. I gained carrying capacity without going to an 8ply tire. Yes I replaced my wheels but since I ruined two anyway because of the blow outs it didn't really matter. I hope I haven't confused this issue even more but I find that manufactures from the giant earth moving trucks to our boat trailers the last thing these manufacturers do is place the right tires for the right application on these vehicles. They main reason is they just do not understand tires.

[johnbandrews]

Carlisle, Goodyear, Bad Luck w/Both!

OK, I'll chime in on the tire issue. I have a 2001 23V on an Extreme dual axle trailer. My boat is stored INSIDE year 'round. After 6 - yes 6 blowouts in various sections of the deserts of California, Nevada, and Arizona with my Carlisles, I did get reimbursed for the tires and the damage they did to my nice, polished fenders. They still owe me for the 6 100+ degree heat roadside tire changes!

Last year I changed all of the tires out for Goodyear Marathons. My boat mechanic said these were the best trailer tires I could buy. I felt very good about the situation until last week when I had two (both on the right side of my trailer) separate at the same time. I only carry one spare (maybe I need 4!) so I limped into the nearest town of Kingman AZ on a Sunday and spend $650 on 4 new no-name tires so I could get home to CA. These tires were less than a year old and had at most 2500 miles on them.

I'm tire paranoid and run mine at 50PSI. I check them every trip. I keep the boat inside. My storage place moves the boats a few feet every month so they don't sit too long on one section of the tire. I have the bearings lubed and checked every year. Frankly, I give up. I guess I have to buy a new set of $120 Marathons each season so I don't get killed changing a tire in 110 degree heat on Highway 40 with 18 wheelers rolling by.

Any suggestions?

[talltigeguy]

Could the 24V be too heavy?

I spoke to my boat dealer today, and he's not seen much problems. I will suspect that I am just having a little bad luck for now.

Johnbandrews:

The Carlisle tires were bad.

I bet that you blew one Marathon and it didn't rattle much so you didn't notice it until the other one blew because of the excess weight. I have heard of the Marathons being the best available as well.

Could the 24V be too heavy? Do the 22V guys have so many problems?

[NICKYPOO]

I've had 3 blow outs on my 22i. All were from the same set of Carlisles. Put on all new Goodyears and haven't had one issue. In fact, there was a noticeable improvement in how the boat rides down the road. Much smoother with better tracking. I'm not sure what the 24v's weigh but, if I had one, I'd be putting Goodyears on it right now.

[Morry Jones]

Trailer Tires

Wow John that makes my story seem tame. I think your boat and trailer are just to heavy for the tires. If you have the fender room go to 15 inch. Try and weigh the trailer and boat. Don't rely on the dealers specs. If you’re as close as I was to the tires max load then add the heat situation you can create a bomb. Maybe it's time to look at 3 axel trailers for the larger boats or a wider 6 ply tire to disperse the weight over a wider area. Good luck getting one of the tire manufacturers to design a new trailer tire.

[TeamAllen]

John

Those are terrible tire stories. I have a 97 2150 on an Extreme dual axle trailer. My boat is also stored inside year round. I have never had any tire issues at all. I don't even have a spare tire. The trailers didn't come with them back then. We trailer to Mead, Powell, Havasu and the California Delta. As I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure the first set were Carlisle and I just put a new Carlisle set on last season. I will add a spare from Extreme after the season. If you are a member of AAA you can add the RV/Boat coverage and let them do the tire changing. I hope you or any of us don't need it.

[johnbandrews]

Re: Trailer Tires

Originally posted by Morry Jones
Wow John that makes my story seem tame. I think your boat and trailer are just to heavy for the tires. If you have the fender room go to 15 inch. Try and weigh the trailer and boat. Don't rely on the dealers specs. If you’re as close as I was to the tires max load then add the heat situation you can create a bomb. Maybe it's time to look at 3 axel trailers for the larger boats or a wider 6 ply tire to disperse the weight over a wider area. Good luck getting one of the tire manufacturers to design a new trailer tire.

Morry,

You may be right about the 23V and 24V being too heavy. I checked with a local tire store today and my tires are rated for 1475 lbs each. The specs on the boat state that it weighs about 4300 lbs dry, plus whatever the trailer weighs. I'm guessing at least 1000 lbs. That's 5300 lbs or so before I put any gas or gear in the boat and 4 tires are rated for 5900 lbs total weight. 1/2 tank of gas, a couple of ice chests, wakeboards, and other crap puts us awfully close to 5900 lbs.

My question is this ... don't you think Tige and Extreme would engineer the trailer and tires to have more of a safety net than this? I'm going to do some more research and will post what I find.

[SummerObsession]

Sorry I haven't checked this thread for a but Morry definitely knows what he is talking about!!

John, I was reading your reply about your issues, and I have to agree with Morry.
I also wonder if the heat/sun in your area doesn't cause additional wear and or breakdown in the tires, especially in the sidewall area.

When I picked up my cat, the tires were only a year old and yet had several areas of "weather checking" on the sidewalls. The boat was used at Havasu and towd back and forth to SoCal several times.

I would look into upgrading to a 15" rim and find the best load rating available.
Having the tallest tire (to a certain extent) shoud help as well.
The less revolutions per mile a tire has to make, especially in extreme conditions like 150 degree pavement, the less heat it builds. Heat is a major enemy of any tire.

I hope that helps your situation and perhaps when you trade boats (or trailers for that matter) it would be wise to check into a triple axle trailer, not as much for the load facter, but more for dissapating the heat on the tires more evenly.

[BrentRR]

I have a '05 24V on a Prestige trailer with Goodyear Marathon ST 215/75R14s. I just checked online and these are rated at 1870lbs each so 4 should handle 7480lbs. Sounds pretty good to me, am I right?

My information came from http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...arathon+Radial