HD Rumble in the Rockies - Chevy wins

[91Terminator]

Oh, I gotcha, you are saying the test was not fair because the Ford is not in the same league as the Chevy and would need to be re-geared in the aftermarket in order to compete with a Chevy off the assembly line. I'm with ya now

No the most common gears form ford from the factory is 3:31 or 3:55 for the new 2011.

[Timmy!]

I can't believe this made it to page 6, it only made 3 pages on the Chevy forum.

[91Terminator]

I can't believe this made it to page 6, it only made 3 pages on the Chevy forum.

This is the most exciting thing to happen to this forum since tundra vs chevy.

[Timmy!]

LOL! If you think so...

[chpthril]

No the most common gears form ford from the factory is 3:31 or 3:55 for the new 2011.

Ok, so I wnet back and skimmed over the test that was conducted. It seems that this hill-climb test was born because the ford camp whined that the F250 used in the 3/4 ton tests did not have the Ford "Jobs2" program. So Ford lost and Ford fans wanted a new test. Am i right so far?

What part of this is not apples-to-apples?

They used a Ford and Chevy 1 ton duallys, both coming off a dealers lot and NOT from the manufacturers test fleet. Oh, but the Ford did have the "Jobs2" flash.

Both had 3.73 gears, right?

They ran the same hill, right?

They pulled the same trailer, right?

The load towed was within the manufacturers stated limits, right?

Help me out, i'm fading here

Now, i'm taking the Chevy camps side here, but just have to say that this test looked pretty equal. Any consumer could walk in and drive out with either of the these trucks.

[Timmy!]

Here's a REAL Ford

[91Terminator]

Ok, so I wnet back and skimmed over the test that was conducted. It seems that this hill-climb test was born because the ford camp whined that the F250 used in the 3/4 ton tests did not have the Ford "Jobs2" program. So Ford lost and Ford fans wanted a new test. Am i right so far?

What part of this is not apples-to-apples?

They used a Ford and Chevy 1 ton duallys, both coming off a dealers lot and NOT from the manufacturers test fleet. Oh, but the Ford did have the "Jobs2" flash.

Both had 3.73 gears, right?

They ran the same hill, right?

They pulled the same trailer, right?

The load towed was within the manufacturers stated limits, right?

Help me out, i'm fading here

Now, i'm taking the Chevy camps side here, but just have to say that this test looked pretty equal. Any consumer could walk in and drive out with either of the these trucks.

I dont know if that is why the test was done or not nor do i care. But i do know that Chevy put this test on and had a lot to do with it. I also know that since Chevy was in on this they would know all about the test and tell them to go buy a truck off the lot with a certain gear and specs as they did. They then had to go find an Ford that had the same specs which they clearly state was not the easiest to find because of the 3:73 gear. it is only available in the XLT Model. The most common gearing for the Ford is the 3:31 and then the 3:55. So if Ford said to them selves when build these truck this will be the most common then that is going to be the best set up for the Ford. Which was not used.

As i said before Just Because They Both Have 3:73's Does Not Make This Apples To Apples. I Would Be Willing To Bet If We Could Talk To Someone Form Ford About The Best Set Up For This Test They Would Say 3:31 or 3:55 And High Altitude Package.

All i know is even if Ford won this test it would most likely still be BullS*** and wouldn't make me go buy one over the other. These tests are full of variables and do not ever have a Apples to Apples No Matter Who Wins. You can Side with the Chevy Camp Because there is no Ford Camp I have said this in many of my post I could care less if Ford won or not. These Test are strictly political and always will be no matter who wins them (Ford, Chevy, Dodge). It just aggravates me because the whole purpose of these is to spark publicity for each company. Also the people that always go bragging about them arent even the ones that are planning to buy these. No one looking at trucks right now cares about these tests (and if they do they are easily miss leaded).
They go drive them and pick the one that fits them best whether is the ford or the chevy if its what they feel is better for them they will buy it.

[islander033]

What come with the Ford "High Altitude Package"?

[91Terminator]

What come with the Ford "High Altitude Package"?

Well I know it has a lot to do with calibrations and not sure what else.... Since i live in FL that would never be a question that i would ask so i do not know to much about it.

[IDBoating]

Why would any fuel-injected, computer controlled engine need a "high altitude" package anyway? The sensors will tell the ECU what's going on, and the ECU will adjust the parameters as necessary to optimize operation under those conditions. It's not like they need to rejet the carbs. {grin}

[Timmy!]

There's no high altitude package.

[91Terminator]

Why would any fuel-injected, computer controlled engine need a "high altitude" package anyway? The sensors will tell the ECU what's going on, and the ECU will adjust the parameters as necessary to optimize operation under those conditions. It's not like they need to rejet the carbs. {grin}

Let me ask you a question:

Why do all cars have VIN #'s? Why does you dodge have a VIN#? And why is it different then others?

You guys think that Ford Makes 1 F250 Calibration for all trucks across the Country or World?

When my dealer orders my truck it will show up at FMC as a Florida Truck there for have calibrations and software for Florida or Southeast USA. If you live in california GOD Knows what will be different on your truck and you calibrations. Therefore we have a real need for VIN#'s. If i say i need a computer for my truck they will most likely have 10 different computers for an 05 F150, so they will need my VIN# to know which computer I need. Therefore what i meant was the truck must have the Colorado or Mid USA software and calibrations. Which it does since purchased in that state from a lot. So I would say #1 that ford needs to run a few more tests and change there calibrations for that area of the Country if even necessary with the proper gearing.

There's no high altitude package.

Maybe its not a package. I just called it cuz i dont know what it would be called. But now that i think about it it would have already had this since it was purchased form a local dealer. So in my earlier point i will have to take that out and only say the gearing and other specs.

[Timmy!]

It's the same calibration for all of the trucks. Prove me wrong otherwise. I'll check back later this afternoon and see if you found facts that prove they program these trucks different. I'll change my avatar to Ford Rules for a week if you can come up with solid proof that a truck sold in Colorado has a different ecm calibration than a truck sold in Florida with the same exact options (same EXACT model/options only difference being the place they are being sold). It needs to be a certifiable fact from something as a Ford service bulletin or the like. Wikipedia or a Ford Super Duty forum heresay doesn't count as fact.

[Ewok]

Why would any fuel-injected, computer controlled engine need a "high altitude" package anyway? The sensors will tell the ECU what's going on, and the ECU will adjust the parameters as necessary to optimize operation under those conditions. It's not like they need to rejet the carbs. {grin}

X2! The only parameter that might be changed across the country is the fuel type. E10 or not is the most simple example but there are many different fuel blends across the US (terrible idea IMO). But the computer should have a knock sensor and compensate the timing for the fuel type. I know in my car it recommends 93 but if I use a lower octane with a higher flash point it adjusts the timing.

[91Terminator]

It's the same calibration for all of the trucks. Prove me wrong otherwise. I'll check back later this afternoon and see if you found facts that prove they program these trucks different. I'll change my avatar to Ford Rules for a week if you can come up with solid proof that a truck sold in Colorado has a different ecm calibration than a truck sold in Florida with the same exact options (same EXACT model/options only difference being the place they are being sold). It needs to be a certifiable fact from something as a Ford service bulletin or the like. Wikipedia or a Ford Super Duty forum heresay doesn't count as fact.

X2! The only parameter that might be changed across the country is the fuel type. E10 or not is the most simple example but there are many different fuel blends across the US (terrible idea IMO). But the computer should have a knock sensor and compensate the timing for the fuel type. I know in my car it recommends 93 but if I use a lower octane with a higher flash point it adjusts the timing.

Im on it. Might take longer then this afternoon since its already 4:30 here I will need to talk to my local Ford Peps.