Tundra Crewmax vs. 2500HD

[jwanck11]

I'll take that bet!

By the way can you name 3 things please that this administration did to immediately help the 'average' Joe?

3 things:
1) Leveraged
2) The
3) Future

Ohh, Hmmm. You were looking for things that helped. I can't think of any.

To the original topic - Have you checked out Consumer Reports? Just one more data point.

[Fiveflat]

I gotta say, that's one good thing about Toyota, their employees aren't part of that auto industry union, therefore never needed gov't aide. Of course Ford just has so much dang cash in the bank they are able to float themselves for 4 years. (when I heard that news, that's when I went out and bought a load of F... for $2.46)

[IDBoating]

I have a polite suggestion....

Let's leave the politics on other websites, OK? We all have opinions, but we all agree we love boating and Tige. Let's not have this website degenerate into the shouting matches I see on other sites.

Just my $0.02.

[talltigeguy]

The block on Bad05's Marine Power engine reads 'Hecho en Mexico' on it. So it is a GM engine, but not made in the USA.

It is seriously debatable who uses more USA made parts, GM or Toyota.

Do you guys remember this:

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...t=hecho+Mexico

I think political discussions are fine, as long as the participants do not reduce themselves to calling each other douchebags or some such. Facts are helpful.

I am very much interested to know how the stimulus has helped. As for us, I know of lots of people who got in on 'Cash for Clunkers'...and I know of people now who can't find a running car for less than $4,000 because so many of them were just removed from the market. I also know of some guys building roads that are going to be unemployed again as soon as the stimulus money supporting the roadbuilding dries up.

And for the money, I want in on the bet that democrats will gain ground in the election. Nobody is the first person I have heard anywhere make that assertion.

[91Terminator]

All I have to say is until the Toy-ota has a 1500, 2500, 3500, 4500, 5500, 6500, 7500 Series, and diesel and dully options it ain't nothing. End of story. you can try and try to justify your purchase all you want but that fact is FMC, GM, and Dodge know and make a really built tough, built to last, American Truck. These trucks are the backbone of these companies.

Im not trying to offend anybody, so dont take this to hard. To be honest i could care less what truck you drive as long as it tows a Tige off my lot. But these trucks are still out there day in and day out proving themselves. Go find me an old tundra.

My 2 Cents.

[Timmy!]

Well, if the average "Joe" is a UAW worker - the govt. saved him his job.

[talltigeguy]

All I have to say is until the Toy-ota has a 1500, 2500, 3500, 4500, 5500, 6500, 7500 Series, and diesel and dully options it ain't nothing. End of story. you can try and try to justify your purchase all you want but that fact is FMC, GM, and Dodge know and make a really built tough, built to last, American Truck. These trucks are the backbone of these companies.

Im not trying to offend anybody, so dont take this to hard. To be honest i could care less what truck you drive as long as it tows a Tige off my lot. But these trucks are still out there day in and day out proving themselves. Go find me an old tundra.

My 2 Cents.

So you are saying that because Toyota doesn't build a 2 ton dually diesel, that their 1/2 ton trucks are of no value.

And Tige is not worth anything until they build a cruise ship. Makes perfect sense to me.

"Go find me an old Tundra" I just about started to break a hernia on that one. Tundras were first made in the late 90's. But the world is full of older Toyota trucks that keep on going. I think the best example would be a quick look at resale. For ease of it, I looked at NADA values of a 2000 Tundra and 2000 F-150. $6375 vs. $4050. So, I think that is pretty clear evidence that the Tundra is 'out there proving itself'.

You know we have all seen this guy around, right?

[dom w. forte]

Well I didnt comment to start politics, and further more my comment didnt point a finger at any particular political party, my comment was directed at any govorment intervention into any bussiness , my bussiness your bussiness , all bussiness.
Now as pertaining to vehicles , ive been working on them for 52 years, almost every type, I base my comments like many others on personal exspirence, and with thousands of miles and vehicles I have worked on the americans still build the best.
Now if you want to place a wager, go out and find any Toyota or Nissian built from 1980 to 1990, where over 500,000, per year were made and then go out and find any GM or Ford or Chrysler, 1980 to 1990, and let me know what you come up with, in our state, dodge darts, cutlass olds, buick regals, novas, monte carlos , crown vics, lincolns, grand marquies, etc, all looking like they have been through an off road event , but still in service. Now on the foreign side slim pickens.
In the 1990s nissian challeged trans am with a brand new state of the art performance motor, and was very sucessful for a few short years against outdated smallblock Chevys and Fords, however those obslete old designs gained more power and were again back at the front, a testomony to a good design.
No other brands of cars in the world have won as many races, in all forms of competition and durability including trucks than GM , Ford and Chrysler, and in the 1960s when Ford and Chevy dominated at Le Mans France they banned all 7.0l engines to get rid of the competition, but Ford continued with the 5.0l and won for four more years.
Well enough said , P.S its the congress that ran us into the ground, both parties , here we go again ha,ha,ha.

[Timmy!]

My coworker has a 1994 Toyota truck that impresses the hell out of me. It's a 4 cylinder, 4x4, 5 speed with 282,000 miles on it and he lives in a hunting cabin in the mountains west of Ft. Collins, CO that requires him to use 4wd every single day up and down the road to his house. I helped him haul hay with my duramax up to his place and was shocked that he drives that drive every single day. It's a grade 3 or 4 4x4 trail (not a road) and has some good solid 20% grades (felt like my truck was going to tip over backwards with all that hay). Toyota is good in my book if that little truck can go through THAT punishment every single day for 16 years. Your mileage may vary!

[Nobody]

Wow! Lot of commotion out there. Ok........all bets on the table. Sign up if your in.

$10 bucks says the Dems take one more seat for 60.
$10 bucks says the Dems take 5 more seats in the house.

Cut and dry. If you in, just say "IN". I'll pay up with an address sent to my inbox.


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What has this administration done for the average Joe?

1. Credit card reform. The credit cards had been using predatory practices for a decade.

2. Health care reform. Insurers have become hedge funds and investment bankers, choosing to cherry pick and insure only the healthy or large corporations. Screwing the average Joe, including joes kids and my neighbors 5 year old grandson who has leukemia.

3. Finance reform: Default swap credits are a thing of the past. Badly needed reform for our banking industry and wall street, and the first ever overhaul since the great depression.

4. 787 billion stimulus package to keep this country from falling into a great depression.

5. 30 billion loan package for small business, which directly affects the average Joe.

From here, there’s a whole bunch of other stuff that makes no difference for Joe....like tobacco regulations, Guantanamo, Iraq, etc.

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I voted repubican all my life, except this year.

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As for the chevy suburban....I have to admit, it sure is nice to drive.

[91Terminator]

So you are saying that because Toyota doesn't build a 2 ton dually diesel, that their 1/2 ton trucks are of no value.

And Tige is not worth anything until they build a cruise ship. Makes perfect sense to me.

"Go find me an old Tundra" I just about started to break a hernia on that one. Tundras were first made in the late 90's. But the world is full of older Toyota trucks that keep on going. I think the best example would be a quick look at resale. For ease of it, I looked at NADA values of a 2000 Tundra and 2000 F-150. $6375 vs. $4050. So, I think that is pretty clear evidence that the Tundra is 'out there proving itself'.

You know we have all seen this guy around, right?

A little out of context but let me see if i can explain it better:

I am saying that toyota cant make the best 1500 series because they dont have the knowledge and technology that FMC, GM, Dodge have from all there REAL heavy duty trucks. (F150, 1500, Tundra's are not trucks. They are "Cadillac's" that can tow and take us to our office's.) When you say truck you think F150, Tundra, 1500, when i say truck I think 350, 450, 550, 650, Semi's.

The resale thing is a joke. Of course your toyota resale is better, cuz lets look at the actual numbers. There is probably 3 times as many F150's built then Tundra's in 2000 So that alone will bring down fords resale. NADA is an average, so i am sure your average 2000 f150 has at least 150,000 miles on it and your average tundra wont have that on it. So theres better resale.

The pull this joke with MC and Tige's all the time, Of course your MC resale is better because your MC sold for 3 times the amount as the Tige.

So back to my point: Toyota doesn't have the experience of what we demand REAL trucks to do so they cant take that experience and shrink it to the 1500 series. Toyota Tundra is the biggest baddest truck they make its got all there guns out, all there muscles flexed. F150/1500 is only a tiny reality of what could be, its only a smaller stripped idea or version of what is available, it is the f650 shrunk down and refined for less duty.

Tige builds multi-sport ski boats not cruise ships. No one skis behind cruise ships. They have the verity of models that a Ski boat company should have. (F150-F750/20i-RZ4).

(Speaking of that not really sure where MC is going with there E300 and Center Console's)????

Once again not trying to offend anyone. Just explain my view.

As for seeing the old tacoma around sure but go find me an 01 with 806,000 miles on it. (2001 F350 Dully 7.3L 806,000 miles - This is the lady that hauled a few boatmate trailers to us, nothing but service, a couple injectors, and 2 trannys, its been hauling its entire life.)

My last 2 Cents....its not worth it from here.

[chpthril]

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I voted repubican all my life, except this year.

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I commend you for having the stones to stand up and take responsibility

[Nobody]

[QUOTE=chpthril;448177]I commend you for having the stones to stand up and take responsibility

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In or out?

[talltigeguy]

The Tundra did not cost more than the F150 to start with, so The MC - tige comparison is useless.

But if we were to use your logic the other direction, how many Tiges were sold in 2000? I would bet that there were far less TIges than MC's...so according to your logic, a 2000 TIge would cost a lot more than a 2000 MC nowadays. You really are rationalizing deeply to think that the number of vehicles explains current value of 10 year old trucks.

You make a good point about Ford's big truck experience, but my argument would be the exact opposite as you. Toyota makes a whole lot better car than Ford so that puts them in better position to build a light duty truck. (although I might not be able to make that argument with 2010 Ford cars, as they have come a long way). I would dare say that 90% of the people who we are talking to here tow their boat for less than 10% of the miles they put on a truck. They want a cadillac that can tow, like you said. They don't want a stripped down F650.

[ajholt7]

They don't want a stripped down F650.

I do!