Wake width on a 22ve

[turbonine]

you need to build confidence. that way you won't be scared to pop at the wake. start out with longer line 75 feet at 20 mph and cut out about 5' away from the wake cut in with main goal to keep your body as straight as possible.your just trying to feel the pop. then when you can feel that reaction shorten the rope to 55 to 60' at 20 mph. now do your cut out and settle let the boat start to pull you back to the wake build your edge so your best edge about a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10, is reached at the wake stand tall like pushing off a diving board or trampoline look at where you want to go to the other side of the wake. while you push off the wake pull the handle down towards your lead hip. once your in the air relax your knees so you can absorb landing. keep doing this till its automatic and your landing in the flats. then you can lengthen the line 5' at a time as you master each length. good luck.

I do agree with the your instructions, but I think the standing tall at the wake takes away more than it gives for someone learning to go w2w. I think it makes them focus too much on jumping at the wake, which cause them to:

- flatten out too soon and lose line tension.
- jumping which gets weight over there toes
- arms flying up in the air, which gets the handle up at the shoulders.

Go put a wake board on and stand on the ground and now jump. How high are you going to get? Not very high.

How do you ollie? Not by jumping, but by letting the reaction of the water push you up. That is why I say kness bent, ready position, braced for take off!

[robert theisen]

i'm just explaining this process the way i learned it at the wakeboard camp. it worked for me and many others i have explained it to. when i look at video of myself my legs aren't straight but i'm trying to straighten them.

[Joeprunc]

You are definitely scrubbing speed as you approach the wake. I think the biggest factor is being more comfortable hitting the wake with a stronger cut.

I agree with Roberts advice in lengthening the rope and standing stiffer to feel what the wake will do. This will teach you where the sweet spot of the wake is.

Turbo's approach is what you are going to want to graduate to after you know the sweet spot in the wake. With the active stance you are going to be able to generate a much stronger & quicker pull.

[robert theisen]

i think we are all trying to say similar things with different words. i am trying to access what will help ricsha91 with clearing the wake. when i watched the video i saw a lack of confidence. i try to instill confidence in the rider and build off of that. he states he is worried if he pushes down against the wake he will sink his board.i tried to make a plan to build his confidence and progress from there.the more we all work together to help ricsha91 the better he will be,sometimes one persons words are understood better than others.i haven't said anyone was wrong just explaining things their way, which is great.more pictures make it easier to solve the puzzle.

[robert theisen]

ricsha91 here is a video of me behind my 22ve with no weight and a 70 foot rope length at 21 mph. you can see i clear the wake easy.
i can't get the link to work but you can go to youtube and type in cwb4me and all my videos will come up. the first one is the one you want to watch. the others were part of a bet i had that i could clear the stock wake at 23 mph on a 90 and 95 foot rope. still technique is involved, but not the best example because you have to charge the wake.

[ricsha91]

Well Robert, I am going to go out again this weekend and probably freeze my butt off since the weather here in IL is starting to get a little cool. The weather here for the weekend is calling for a high of 60 degrees.

I wish I had more time this year and someone that knows what they are doing, so they could give me some pointers while I am out there. I have no idea what I am doing wrong until I get home and view the video of that I recorded. I will work on getting my legs to straighten out while I am hitting the wake and to edge hardest going up the wake. It really gets disappointing after trying all year and never get across the wake.

I will post some of the video that I record Saturday.

[robert theisen]

well ricsha 91 good luck. what i found out when i went to the wakeboard camp in florida is to break down a trick into small parts. so a wake jump is actually 4 or 5 parts to it. when you put them all together they work in a rythm . 1st is your cut out from the wake yours looks good. 2nd is what i call settle you stay off edge and wait for the boat to pull you back in. 3rd is your approach it must be progressive if not you will build too much speed or edge and get pulled forward off your edge at the wake. so i like to use numbers. think of 1 as your mellow edge and 10 as your hardest edge possible. after you cut out and the boat starts to pull you in i'll use 20 foot as a example i like to start someone out further so they have more time to adjust things and they feel the speed more. most people think they need speed to clear the wake. so your at 1 at 20 feet by the time you get to 15 feet you should be at 3 then when you get to 10 you should be at 5 now you see the trough the white washy water get to 6 and 7 through the wake. this is the start of 4th faze the push. i like to tell people imagine your back leaning slightly against a wall with someone on your shoulders. you have to keep your back leaning slightly against the wall while pushing the person on your shoulders up higher. to do this you would tighten your quads,glutes and push your chest and shoulder up. the result is a straight body. by being on edge this gives you resistance to push against. then step 5 the takeoff how you takeoff is how you land. you want your body as straight as you can get it while pulling the handle to your lead hip bone. the handle being low helps your balance your body should have that slight lean back against that imaginary wall this will set you up to land on edge then look where you want to go. the other side of the wake. good luck.

[Joeprunc]

Any further luck this past weekend? I'd like to hear what worked for you.

[ricsha91]

Going to be going out tomorrow. This past weekend here in IL was for the birds. Saturday was way to windy, and woke up Sunday morning with the temps in the mid 30's. I will keep you guys posted on how it goes tomorrow.

[Joeprunc]

30...burrr that's cold!

[ricsha91]

Got out today and had sucess with the rope at 60ft. That is such a great feeling when I landed on the down side of the wake. Its so smooth landing on the down side of wake than landing on the face of it like I have been doing all summer.

I tried taking the rope back out to 65ft(what I forgot to tell you is the main line is 65, but when you add the handle it takes it out to 70ft) but had no luck except my head slaming into the water a couple times from hitting the face of the wake so hard that I bounce off it then the board would nose dive into the water.

I finally feel what its like to feel the pop off the wake. Before I never really felt that pop.


I wish I had more time this year to keep on working on this wake to wake jump, but cause of work and its cooling off here in IL I think I am going to have to winterize the boat this week.

Thank you for everyone that helped me out by giving me suggestions over this issue that has plague me all summer. I will see if I have any video of today that came out decent. I forgot the camcorder today so I had my sister filming me with her phone.

[robert theisen]

if the board is sinking you have too much weight on front foot or not enough edge. you need to be even weighted or rear foot weighted. even will give you more mellow arc and rear foot weighted will give you higher more straight up arc.