Wake width on a 22ve

[ricsha91]

I was wondering if the wake on a 22ve is wider than other boats? I have been trying all summer long to get across it, but no luck. I either come up short where I hit the back side of the lander or case the wake, but never have been able to clear it.

I am being towed at 21.6 mph with a 65ft line. I fill all the ballast bags which are the two v drive bags and the bow bag which is the w711.

I have watch countless hours of video and bought the dvd the book.

Went out today with no luck, but after boarding for awhile I sat and watched other people today and they were clearing the wake with no problem. Hell they were barely cutting out from the wake and had no problem clearing it. Myself I cut out as far as I can and use the progression edge and stand tall but still no luck at making it.

[talltigeguy]

You need to go a little faster. Even with that, I suspect something is off about your technique. You might benefit from professional help. FInd a coach or offer a pull to someone who seems to have it down nicely and see if they can pinpoint what is going on. I would go 22-23 MPH and I bet that narrows it down a bit for you. It is sometimes amazing the difference 0.5 MPH makes. Check your speedometer with a GPS and make sure that you aren't even going slower than that.

[kko]

I would bump the speed to 22 mph. Lest see a photo of the wake. Also post a video of you riding and we can see what is going on. Its going to be your technique thats off. I am not picking on you so please dont take it that way. I went through this same thing.

I posted a vidoe of me riding and got great pointers from people (like Robert on this site) and others. I tried a few things he suggested and it helped a ton. Hes a good teacher! I went from clearing a 60ft rope 50% of the time(with little height) to landing out in the flats at 70Ft with ease 100% of the time. With much more height. All in 2-3 weeks of trying the stuff Robert helped me change about the way I was riding. You get a vidoe I promise you we can get you poppin in no time. but we have to see what your doing wrong so we can point you in the right direction.

[robert theisen]

thanks for the recognition kevin.richsa91 there are many different aspects to analyze. your experience,your board, your technique.i would suspect it's technique. you said others clear your wake so i think the speed is okay. when i weight my boat with 1200 lbs 21.5 is usually good for up to 75 feet line length. like kevin said a video it worth a thousand words. when i see you ride i can point out little body position pointers you may not pick up by watching other riders.they also may not see the small differences in their technique and yours.so send a video and i'll try and help.

[ricsha91]

Thanks for the replys, I will get an video out to next week when I go again. Really gets disapointing when I try all summer long to clear the wake and now here it is almost end of the riding season here in IL and still havent made any lead way on clearing it.

[loudelectronics]

First off throw your line while driving your speed. Set the speed of the boat so the wake starts to curl just behind it. That is how fast you need to go at that line speed. Even if you were going 18 mph and the wake was still crisp, you should be able to clear it. The Tige wake is wide but it offers probably the best transition and pop in the industry.

Once you got your speed set for you line length you need to work on your edging. Remember that your back foot is your gas pedal. The harder you push your feet against the water, the faster you are going to go. When you edge to the wake you want to pop off by standing tall and pushing your rear foot into the water harder and then pull your front foot up into your chest followed by your rear foot. You do not need to cut in like a railey cut, you can take a progressive edge into the wake which is you start out any distance say 15 feet and gradually load the line by using your gas pedal. It is the last second push and pop of the wake that is going to make you clear it.

For instance I ride a 80' line at 21.5 mph. The wake is wide back there and land in the flats all I want.

[Joeprunc]

/\ /\ /\ That is great advice /\ /\ /\

I've found that usually the pop off the wake is the issue with people learning to clear the wake. Its a lot like motocross where you preload your suspension just before take off to get additional height and distance. If you don't the bikes suspension absorbs the face of the jump and you don't make it. Essentially your knees work the same way. Watch some videos of the pros cutting into the wake, focus on their knees as they approach the wake in slow motion. They are doing exactly what is mentioned above. Also handle placement is quite important, should be at your hip.

Warning: Most people that start learning how to pop off the wake tend to be nose heavy, landing nose down usually resulting in an eject .

A video will help a heap too.

[chpthril]

. Also handle placement is quite important, should be at your hip.

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I've had the opportunity to ride along with Cathy Williams, a former Tige Pro, and listen to hear coach. Here way of telling you to do this was to scream out to the rider "show us your boobies" Meaning was, straighten your back, get your shoulders back and bring the handle down to your hip. It usually resulted in the rider laughing. This relaxed them and prevented them from thinking and trying too hard.

[robert theisen]

the pop is alot of different muscles all at once to get one end result a straight body. you come into the wake slightly seated on your heel edge you tighten your quads [that straightens your legs]you tighten your glutes[butt]that pushes and locks out your hips,and you try and point your chest to the sky[ie show us your boobies]. now you are like a marine standing tall with your chest out. your body is one stiff unit.then you can get a reaction from the wake. i will send you videos of me clearing the wake at 95 feet at 23 mph not a contest with anyone just a demonstration that it doesn't matter how wide the wake or how tall[it's with NO WEIGHT in the boat]with proper technique you will clear the wake. i just have to figure out how to send my video's over the web.even though the wake is soft that far back and about 1 foot tall i get 4 to 5 feet of air and travel over 30 feet in the air total distance. but if i can see your video i can help you. if you watch mine it may not help you. if you have watched the book they show and explain everything. there is usually only inches off in peoples body positions which results in your pop being absorbed by your body instead of you using it to get air.

[loudelectronics]

Yes! AS mentioned please keep that handle down to your waist or else you will be popping water out of the back of your eyes. Faceplants not so much fun.

[rushin]

Edge through the wake and keep line tension

[Timmy!]

Shorten your rope up until you can consistently clear the wake and the work your way out. You should be able to clear the wake at 20 mph on a 65' rope with no problem once you get the technique down. I used an old ski rope set to about 50' when I was first learning and then added more rope as I get better and eventually changed to the wakeboard rope.

It really is all about the technique and as soon as you figure it out, you will be amazed at how easy it is to clear it. I would guess that you are like most and letting your knees absorb the shock without realizing it. Good luck, you'll get it!

[ricsha91]

Well I went out this past weekend and still not clearing the wake after trying all of your suggetions. I guess my biggest fear about standing tall at the wake is I feel like the nose of the board is going to go straight into the wake.

Here is a link to the video I put on you tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unItxLSOSDE

Sorry about the picture quality is bad. Had my 7 year old son using the camera, so video is a little shaky.

I am going to try to go out this next weekend before I put the boat up for the winter (weather is starting to get cold here). Wish I lived out west or the south.

[turbonine]

1. More progressive cut. I can tell you are letting off the gas and/or line tension is decreasing as you get closer to the wake.

2. You are losing lots of your pop because you are absorbing it with your knees, aka the standing tall issue. You don't need to jump off the wake, you just need to not absorb it.

I always explain it like this, imagine you are going to give a piggy back to some one. The ready position you get in just as they jump on your back is how you want to be as you hit the wake. Weight evenly distributed between legs, knees bent, legs and back firm.

3. Shorten your line 5 ft.

[robert theisen]

you need to build confidence. that way you won't be scared to pop at the wake. start out with longer line 75 feet at 20 mph and cut out about 5' away from the wake cut in with main goal to keep your body as straight as possible.your just trying to feel the pop. then when you can feel that reaction shorten the rope to 55 to 60' at 20 mph. now do your cut out and settle let the boat start to pull you back to the wake build your edge so your best edge about a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10, is reached at the wake stand tall like pushing off a diving board or trampoline look at where you want to go to the other side of the wake. while you push off the wake pull the handle down towards your lead hip. once your in the air relax your knees so you can absorb landing. keep doing this till its automatic and your landing in the flats. then you can lengthen the line 5' at a time as you master each length. good luck.