tige surf wake

[colbsmith]

I just bought an 06' 24ve. I put a 1400lb sac in there and tried to surf. Filled it up almost all the way and it created a pretty nice wave. I still need more because I just could not let go of the rope and stay on the wave. Did not try the tap system with it yet. Anyone out there with the same boat know how to create the best possible surf wake?

[Guma]

Definitely use the TAPS in conjunction with the weight. The TAPS will help clean up the face of the wave.

Where did you put the 1400lbs. Is it all in the surf side corner or split between the corner and some up front?

[colbsmith]

It is an enzo sac where the majority is in the back and spreads up to the middle. I will try the taps. Are you able to surf with no rope behind yours? How much wieght do you have and how is it distributed throught boat? thanks for the reply

[MTtigekid]

try running with the taps at 4-5 and at 10.8-11mph.. thats what we run at with ours and the wave is really nice

[Ewok]

It is an enzo sac where the majority is in the back and spreads up to the middle. I will try the taps. Are you able to surf with no rope behind yours? How much wieght do you have and how is it distributed throught boat? thanks for the reply

Did you put the sack in the storage area next to the engine? The weight needs to be as far aft as possible and as close to the side of the boat you want to surf on as possible. Also have everyone on the boat sit on the surf side of the boat as well.

You also need to spend some time on the wave to figure out the balance and technique to stay in the pocket of the wave. The pocket is also called the sweet spot and it is the part of the wave that "pushes" you forward. Check out wake9.com for some excellent how to video on wakesurfing.

Be patient, you'll get it, you should have plenty of weight to get a nice wave with the enzo sac.

[chpthril]

The W712 Enzo sac is ideal IMO for the 24ft Tiges. As stated, TAPS 3-5 and with that boat, I think you definitely need to be 11 MPH or better as the wake will start to wash if you get too slow. Also, what board are you riding and how much do you (or others) weight? Some boards are slugs and big boys need more board. Stance will also have a lot to do with your ability to stay in the pocket and get a slack rope.

[colbsmith]

I am 155lbs. Board might be a little big at 66". I have surfed many times before and was able to stay on the other wakes easily. The sak is in the back port side of the boat next to the engine. It is L shaped and comes up underneath the passenger seating as well. I am just wondering if 1300- 1400lbs is enough weight for this size of a boat. I will try taps and see what happens. thanks for the input.

[ragboy]

Here is the video you want to watch, these are kids, but techniques are the same, we teach people all the time. Keys are:

1. Foot position as seen in the video. When you stand with your feet in the right place, you won't turn out of the wake, you will stay in without great effort.

2. Square your weight over both legs, like riding a skateboard, not like wakeboarding or skiing. Many people think of wakeboarding or skiing where you can be very back foot heavy.

3. Get your weight over the board towards the wake. As shown in this video, we accomplish that by having you lean over and touch the wave while holding the rope with one hand. This helps you get the weight over.

4. Never throw the rope. This is a mistake we see a lot, the rider throws the rope, this almost always throws you off balance, and causes you to fall out, or fall. As in the video, you have both hands out, back hand touching or reaching out to the wave. When you have ridden for a good minute slacking the rope, and keeping steady, NOT see-sawing back and forth, you can then let go of the rope. JUST LET GO, let someone in the boat pull the rope in. When I am in the boat and someone is ready. I pull up the slack and get ready. They let go of the rope and I quickly snap it in. The rope will barely hit the water and snap in the boat, this is important so that it doesn't go under the board and hinder the rider.

5. SUPERMAN. This is a little technique we figured out with Thomas. When riders let go of the rope, they have a tendency to drop their front hand to their side and it shifts their weight off the wake and they fall out. So as in the video, when you let go of the rope reach both hands out toward the wake, we call it "superman". It works, it keeps your weight in the right place. You may feel stupid bent over doing superman, but after you learn how to freeride you body will get used to where your weight needs to be, and you will be able to stand up more and put your arms down.

Good Luck!



Regarding the boat weight, even though those sacs can hold 1400lbs or so, the VE space is restrictive, and you maybe get 1000. When you fill that up, and are going 11mph, how far is the rub rail from the water when the water is smooth? It should be within an inch from touching the rubrail behind the gas fill area. If it is not, you need more weight in that rear corner. You may also try putting some weight in the front on the surf side, but not so necessary on the 24Ve.

[ragboy]

By the way, the video that we used to make that "going wireless" how to, is all from the 2007 24Ve. The video of whitney on the green board was actually from 2008, same with Thomas on the big blue board. The stuff of Blaine doing superman is all from this summer on the 2007 24Ve.

[colbsmith]

Thank you Ragboy, that is the info I needed. I feel we are only getting about 1000bs in the sac. I really do not want to manually put another sac on the seat, but may not have a choice. The rub rail tip is really how I can judge where the weight is and should be. Thanks for your help and long live Superman!

[chpthril]

Thank you Ragboy, that is the info I needed. I feel we are only getting about 1000bs in the sac. I really do not want to manually put another sac on the seat, but may not have a choice. The rub rail tip is really how I can judge where the weight is and should be. Thanks for your help and long live Superman!

That enzo sac is giving you plenty of weight to free ride, trust me. I would look at speed, TAPS and stance before adding more ballast.

Here is a pic of a 2005 24V with a 400 Lb sac. Im 2 bills and riding a Yellow Loogie.

[ragboy]

Thank you Ragboy, that is the info I needed. I feel we are only getting about 1000bs in the sac. I really do not want to manually put another sac on the seat, but may not have a choice. The rub rail tip is really how I can judge where the weight is and should be. Thanks for your help and long live Superman!

Your welcome, and as CHPTHRIL says below, you should still have enough to free ride. But to be sure, feel free to post a picture of you on your wake. Sometimes people have enough weight, but the wake is not setup right for whatever reason. You are light enough, that you could almost surf with just people weight.

That enzo sac is giving you plenty of weight to free ride, trust me. I would look at speed, TAPS and stance before adding more ballast.

Here is a pic of a 2005 24V with a 400 Lb sac. Im 2 bills and riding a Yellow Loogie.

[loudelectronics]

I run about 1200-1300 lbs in the rear locker, 600 lbs on the floor and a few people on the passenger side. I have to run the taps at 1 and the wake is very large and easy to ride. I find the board is make a big difference. I have a cwb tsunami, TWP bullet and a inland sufer blue lake. Everyone is so different. The blue lake is by far the easiest to surf and begginers seem to get it the quickest. You can surf so far back with little effort. The tsunami is pretty fast but sinks so people have a hard time with it. The bullet is the hardest for everyone cause it is so quick, sinks easily and so quick rail to rail. So board choice does make a big difference. However doesnt matter what you have as you will get used to it and it will work for you.

[colbsmith]

The board I have is a loaner, so I will have to figure that one out. In the end I will look at the bumper rail behind the fuel tank and see where it is in the water. This will tell me alot. I will take some pics to show the wake. thanks to all and loving the new toy.

[murphini]

It's the board.

I have 07 24ve, Enzo sac and I could never free surf w/our old CWR Razr board. Then I got a Inland Surfer Blue Lake for 150#-250#, and the Inland Surfer Squirt for 100-200# and I went rope-less the first time with the Blue Lake. It's the board, the other assets you have will serve you very well.

Try some different boards and you'll have the "ah-ha" moment.