RZR and RZ0

[Ewok]

I just looked at some SeaRays for sale and they have a 20' (205 sport) MSRP around $40K and I found a 20' Bayliner with a tower for $26K so I guess the "price point" boats will be priced somewhere closer to the SeaRay.

I will STFU now.

[MoneyPity]

From what I have been told the Service program is not applicable to the R20 but is for the RZR.

The R20 does not come standard with the front bow cushion cooler but is optional (this is standard on the RZR). The Vector tower is standard on both the R20 and RZR. Both the Vector and Alpha Z towers fold backward! Both models will have the bulge in the middle of the back seat.

I saw a post that said pricing is not out. It is in your dealers hands. MSRP willl shock you but from what I have been quoted unlike Moomba the Tige R20 and RZR have room below the MSRP with a heck of a lot more style.( I am not nocking Moomba but just using as price comparison). The base price of an Outback V at MSRP is a lot less than the R20 but the R20 IMO is worth the difference if the Tige has wiggle room under the MSRP.

The back bench is weird and I am concerned that the short 20 foot pickle fork may ride rough with the triple bow. I had an old tri-hull that slammed the heck out of us. In the Blue RZR pic it appears that at speed the outside hulls are almost all the way out of the water but it is in smooth water. I would be interested in a ride or rough water pics to find out. I know that Tige RZ2's handle rough water well when on plane so the question is will the shorter hull be able to give similar ride say as the 20V which did good for a 20 footer.

The 20' R20 and RZR seem to loose some cockpit space and under hatch storage due to transom entertainment center which is nice when swimming off a sandbar or the like. I think the tradeoff is good especially with a real bow area. My wife loves to ride in the bow and she was uncomfortable in our 20V bow.

My personal impression is Tige has a winner with the two distinct variations of the boat. For those of us in the midwest with short seasons we can get Tige Quality and benefits but don't have to break the bank with the R20 for a ride that sees water 5 months a year at best but have the option for a fully dressed out RZR.

OBTW is appears on the R20 the Ski pylon is an option but basic balast is included.

Does the RZR have the same rear bench configuration as the RZ0? I'm assuming yes?

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[ajholt7]

By the way...

Wow!

[petrey10]

so what is MSRP for both boats?

[knelems]

boats

Let's not forget about the engines, are you comparing Sea Rays,Bayliners, which are mass produced with a PCM engine that has 303 HP, 343 HP? As I recall at the last boat show I saw Chapparal extremes as high as some of our Tiges with less HP and options.Cobalt,Sea Ray and several other stern drive companies have tried in the past to compete in the in board market and have failed.

Go price out a Chap,Regal,Cobalt with the same stereo sys,cruise,tower,and engine HP and see what your pricing is.

[Ewok]

Let's not forget about the engines, are you comparing Sea Rays,Bayliners, which are mass produced with a PCM engine that has 303 HP, 343 HP? As I recall at the last boat show I saw Chapparal extremes as high as some of our Tiges with less HP and options.Cobalt,Sea Ray and several other stern drive companies have tried in the past to compete in the in board market and have failed.

Go price out a Chap,Regal,Cobalt with the same stereo sys,cruise,tower,and engine HP and see what your pricing is.

Correct, they are mass produced with Mercruiser engines with less hp, and that is another reason they are cheaper. I don't think those boats are trying to compete against inboard boats, they are trying to copy them and give new boat owners who don't know any better a little of the functionality and style of the inboards. I think they are succeeding, there are tons of I/Os out there with towers right now, people are even putting towers on go-fast Bajas too. I see now that the "Price Point" boat is trying to give potential I/O buyers a comparable price to get them into inboards. That is the market where a comparison is valid. The R20 is not going to compete against a Bayliner buyer, I think most likely a potential SeaRay or Regal buyer. A Cobalt buyer can afford a regularly priced Tige.

[helmut]

My only statement is they are crazy making TAPS and option on any of the boats. Tige has made that PART of the hull not like BU and the wedge. No TAPS is a very bad idea unless its not a convex V hull and is a more traditional hull like bu, cc, mc etc. What do I know I am just some guy.

[Ewok]

My only statement is they are crazy making TAPS and option on any of the boats. Tige has made that PART of the hull not like BU and the wedge. No TAPS is a very bad idea unless its not a convex V hull and is a more traditional hull like bu, cc, mc etc. What do I know I am just some guy.

X2!

[smuurph84]

from the photos it looks like the rzr has cutaways in the bow area as well. do the 2010 rz2's have this?

[jwanck11]

Let's not forget about the engines, are you comparing Sea Rays,Bayliners, which are mass produced with a PCM engine that has 303 HP, 343 HP? As I recall at the last boat show I saw Chapparal extremes as high as some of our Tiges with less HP and options.Cobalt,Sea Ray and several other stern drive companies have tried in the past to compete in the in board market and have failed.

Go price out a Chap,Regal,Cobalt with the same stereo sys,cruise,tower,and engine HP and see what your pricing is.

Good point!

My only statement is they are crazy making TAPS and option on any of the boats. Tige has made that PART of the hull not like BU and the wedge. No TAPS is a very bad idea unless its not a convex V hull and is a more traditional hull like bu, cc, mc etc. What do I know I am just some guy.

Are both boats based on the convex V hull?

[MoneyPity]

My only statement is they are crazy making TAPS and option on any of the boats. Tige has made that PART of the hull not like BU and the wedge. No TAPS is a very bad idea unless its not a convex V hull and is a more traditional hull like bu, cc, mc etc. What do I know I am just some guy.

Don't take this wrong but in some ways I think of the R20 as the Tige Version of a Bayliner inboard until you slam options at it and it still has no sizzle once you do that. The value they had with the 20V is not in the R20. Just my humble opinion though. Sure the quality of build is going to be better but it reminds me of an Dodge Omni. Nice functional and can get the job done but ...................

To clarify it has Taps2 as option which is a fairly expensive option at MSRP. Without Taps2 it does have a fixed wake plate of some sort that maybe can be manually adjusted. I have not asked that question. The lack of a standard ski pylon and a transom grab bar is wacky. These are also options. I thought this was a multifunction inboard i.e. ski, wakeboard and maybe add balast to wakesurf. Out of the box 1 out of 3.

[IDBoating]

I don't even own a Tige (yet?) but I'll jump in here and agree that not having TAPS as a standard feature is foolish marketing. Everyone everywhere describes the "adjustability" of a Tige. Without that, I'd worry it will tarnish the brand. The word on the street, the Tige reputation, says they're adjustable. When people start riding in their friend's R20 and find out that's not true, they'll start wondering what ELSE isn't true about Tige. Yes, I'm sure they'll hear it's an option and available and all that... but they will still have been in a Tige that wasn't adjustable, and that's primarily what they'll remember.

Bad decision. Don't do it. Cut other things, save money elsewhere, but keep TAPS on every Tige as standard equipment.

[hycosurf]

This thread is intense. I just love my RZ2. Love the new RZR. TAPS should be standard!! Oh and I/O's to me are just wannabe inboards and it makes me feel good I have a v-drive.

[ragboy]

I understand the argument, but I don't think you can sweat the taps issue. Tige, like any company, has to make a profit, especially in this market. And sales to the lowest cost boat can't canibalize their more profitable ones. I remember apple had a black version of the macbook. I remember apple got a huge bad time over not offering firewire on the macbooks. If you wanted firewire, you needed to upgrade to the macbook pro. There are so many examples of this. Apple is a great company, so is Tige. But you have to separate your products and encourage people to "upsell" to the more profitable model. The fact that they offer this low cost boat, is a great thing for the industry, and you will get what you pay for. You can't buy the low end model, and expect the same features as the higher end, or there would be no need for the higher end.

Don't worry, tige will respond to the market if they need to. If they later need to add taps to the RZ0, then they will. They cut costs, went with the basics, frills are in the other models.

If you ask me, they need to make a 22ft low cost also, to compete with boats like the supreme. I love my RZ2, but its expensive, and in this economy, there needs to be more low cost alternatives. Just my 2 cents. Low cost is great, but its also small, if you need more room you have to pay a lot more, or look at other companies. A RZ2 like boat, with cheaper tower, not all the frills, 2 speaker stereo, around $50k would be killer. Same hull and taps for great wake, with less frills.

Anyway, we can't all run tige, but I tell you, when I look in my RZ2 and see all the changes made based on feedback I have seen on this site, I trust they will keep doing it right.

[NICKYPOO]

I understand the argument, but I don't think you can sweat the taps issue. Tige, like any company, has to make a profit, especially in this market. And sales to the lowest cost boat can't canibalize their more profitable ones. I remember apple had a black version of the macbook. I remember apple got a huge bad time over not offering firewire on the macbooks. If you wanted firewire, you needed to upgrade to the macbook pro. There are so many examples of this. Apple is a great company, so is Tige. But you have to separate your products and encourage people to "upsell" to the more profitable model. The fact that they offer this low cost boat, is a great thing for the industry, and you will get what you pay for. You can't buy the low end model, and expect the same features as the higher end, or there would be no need for the higher end.

Don't worry, tige will respond to the market if they need to. If they later need to add taps to the RZ0, then they will. They cut costs, went with the basics, frills are in the other models.

If you ask me, they need to make a 22ft low cost also, to compete with boats like the supreme. I love my RZ2, but its expensive, and in this economy, there needs to be more low cost alternatives. Just my 2 cents. Low cost is great, but its also small, if you need more room you have to pay a lot more, or look at other companies. A RZ2 like boat, with cheaper tower, not all the frills, 2 speaker stereo, around $50k would be killer. Same hull and taps for great wake, with less frills.

Anyway, we can't all run tige, but I tell you, when I look in my RZ2 and see all the changes made based on feedback I have seen on this site, I trust they will keep doing it right.

Done.