RZR and RZ0

[evil0ne]

IMO, people who can't see the value in owning a well built machine when a marginally built machine will do basically (to them) the same thing, will never see the value of quality construction. I don't see any reason for Tige to try and cater to those people.

I'm not arguing with quality, besides the wake and the Outdrive can anyone explain how SeaRay is not a quality built boat. Everyone always compares inboards to I/O's like there is a huge difference in construction, I want to know what that is. Chooper vs. hand laid, wooden stringers, something?

[chpthril]

I'm not arguing with quality, besides the wake and the Outdrive can anyone explain how SeaRay is not a quality built boat. Everyone always compares inboards to I/O's like there is a huge difference in construction, I want to know what that is. Chooper vs. hand laid, wooden stringers, something?

Same with marine audio. Most seem to think that if it's an HLCD driver, it's top of the line high quality, and if its just a coax speaker is cheap arse junk that will sound crappy.

So, I agree, saying an I/O is not a quality boat just because it's an I/O is grossly inaccurate. And to say that an inboard is a better "quality" boat just because they are expensive, is incorrect. There are I/O's out there that will stand head to head with the best inboard as far as quality.

[mutau052]

If you guys think I/o's are cheap go test drive a Cobalt, end of the year deal on 22' cobalt advertising flyer I got yesterday was 50k.

[H2O-PoPo]

Go test drive a Tige and a Bayliner and you will see and feel why the Tige costs a lot more

they are two totaly different boats. thats not apples to apples.

Thats like saying "go test drive a Corvette and a Kia mini van and see why the corvette costs more"

[houstonshark]

Can anyone comment who has seen or been in the RZR on the interior space vs the Z1?

[Ewok]

22' Bayliner vs Tige RZ2

Go test drive a Tige and a Bayliner and you will see and feel why the Tige costs a lot more

Funny you should say this, I just sold my Bayliner and bought my first wakeboard boat, the RZ2. Here are all the items the Tige has the bayliner doesn't:

- Fiberglass is thicker and the top/bottom is glassed together, Bayliner is screwed together
- Gelcoat is much nicer on the Tige, the seams between white/blue gelcoat are perfect on my Tige, very jagged on the Bayliner so they put a blue/white sticker on the seam so you won't notice.
- Engine is EFI on Tige, Carb on Bayliner
- Gas tank has 2 fill ports, 1 on Bayliner
- No wood in Tige, mostly wood in Bayliner (well treated and glassed wood can last a very long time)
- Bayliner came with two 5" speakers on an AM/FM radio
- LED lights on Tige, standard bulbs in Bayliner
- They both had the same stock bilge pump and blower
- Pop up cleats on Tige, std cleats on Bayliner
- Vinyl is much thinner in Bayliner, tears very easily
Tige came with depth finder, cruise control, lake water temp, air temp, trim plate indicator, ballast, and carpeted storage areas, Bayliner did not
Alpha Z tower on Tige, optional tube towers on new Bayliners

Even though the Bayliner was much cheaper because it didn't have all the bells and whistles, the biggest reason it was cheaper was the fiberglass construction. I took a tour of the factory and watched how they spray the glass and then join the top and bottom. Tige takes time to worry about the fit and finish of the joint between top and bottom and this is where the majority of the price difference will come into play. I had my Bayliner for 17 years but the floor was starting to get a little spongey and will need to be replaced in a few years, the Tige should not have that problem. The fiberglass floor should last much longer. I doubt they are going to use less fiberglass or speed up production and cut corners to produce the "price point" boat, you are going to get what you pay for.

So are the new owners paying for a boat that will last, even if they won't keep it as long as it will last? Yes. But the company is still growing market share so enough people with money who want a tow boat are going to buy one. If you don't have enough money, you get what you can afford, if its the R20, cool. If its a Bayliner, cool. I don’t think a Tige should be a first boat for anyone. I think most people would be better off with a Bayliner or something cheaper to buy and maintain. The price point boats will be a good model to get into for someone moving from a runabout to a towboat to learn how they maneuver. I love my RZ2 but it is definitely harder to maneuver by the dock than my Bayliner was.

[IDBoating]

Why do you guys always expect a price point boat to have all the goodies??? All i ever see is that we need all the options but then your not willing to pay the price?

IMHO there's a difference between the TAPS system, which many here have noted is nearly synonymous with Tige, and truly optional things like a sound system, carpet, LCD screen, expensive graphics, extra cupholders, more storage lockers, etc. A boat needs a few basic things like a hull, deck, seats, tower, engine, and basic instrumentation. For Tige, I'd include TAPS as a fundamental component. Much beyond those things, though, and they're really just options that make things "fancier" or "prettier" or "glitzier" or "more comfortable" or whatever. THOSE are the things that could and should be cut, or made optional, on an entry level boat. Not the core components that make the boat actually functional, or in the case of TAPS practically define the brand itself.

Just my $0.02, though.

[jwanck11]

Some of the comments strike me as odd. The fit and finish of some of the boats listed in this thread so outpace a towboat it is ridiculous.

Really, the only differentiators that I can see are special purpose and limited supply.

The price point of the new vessels are probably more tied to what is all ready in production than anything else.

[zad0030]

I can't believe people are comparing inboards to I/O's.

We might as well compare jumbo jets to fighter planes

[jwanck11]

Any two boats, used for the same purpose, can be compared, can't they?

[lohe]

IMHO there's a difference between the TAPS system, which many here have noted is nearly synonymous with Tige, and truly optional things like a sound system, carpet, LCD screen, expensive graphics, extra cupholders, more storage lockers, etc. A boat needs a few basic things like a hull, deck, seats, tower, engine, and basic instrumentation. For Tige, I'd include TAPS as a fundamental component. Much beyond those things, though, and they're really just options that make things "fancier" or "prettier" or "glitzier" or "more comfortable" or whatever. THOSE are the things that could and should be cut, or made optional, on an entry level boat. Not the core components that make the boat actually functional, or in the case of TAPS practically define the brand itself.

Just my $0.02, though.

You do realize that is all ready an option, Have you been to the official Tige site? and clicked a "spec" sheet. A lot of the stuff you listed are option... is just 99% I would say want those options so they pretty much all get ordered that way.
http://tige.com/assets/downloads/spec20v.pdf


FACTORY OPTIONS
• Tigé SpeedSet cruise control
• Tigé collapsible tower
• Tower lights
• Swivel board rack
• Tower-mount billet mirror bracket
• Stainless steel appearance package incl. drink
holders, windshield uprights and hatch shocks
• Stainless steel rubrail
• Lexan walkthrough windscreen
• Removable fiberglass swimstep
• Boat cover w/ pole and tie-down kit
• Cockpit table
• Docking lights
• Underwater transom light
• EIDB dual battery system
• Optima 2nd battery
• 3-vent heater
• Additional pull-up cleats
• Rear hatch lock
• Saltwater steering
• Saltwater flush kit
• Shower
• Bimini top w/extension
• Custom hull & deck colors
• Ballast system
• 48qt soft sided cooler
• Freshwater strainer
STANDARD POWERPLANT
• PCM EX343 5.7L MPI 343hp
POWERPLANT OPTIONS
• PCM ProSport 5.0L MPI 275hp
NOTE: All PCM powerplants available with optional
PCM Catanium CES catalytic converter systems.
AUDIO OPTIONS
PREMIUM SOUND
• Clarion Marine CD/MP3 Audio, Sirius compatible
• Wet Sounds XS-650 200-watt component speakers (4)
• Digital driver remote
• iPod Interface + USB port
POWER PREMIUM UPGRADE
• Clarion Marine CD/MP3 Audio, Sirius compatible
• Wet Sounds XS-650 200-watt component speakers (6)
• Digital driver remote
• Wet Sounds Syndicate 1,000-watt power amp
• Wet Sounds XS 10” sub woofer
• iPod Interface + USB port
TOWER OF POWER SYSTEM UPGRADE
• Clarion Marine CD/MP3 Audio, Sirius compatible
• Wet Sounds XS-650 200-watt component speakers (6)
• Digital driver remote
• Wet Sounds Syndicate 1,000-watt & 700-watt power
amps
• Wet Sounds XS 10” sub woofer
• Wet Sounds Pro 60 150-watt coaxial tower speakers (2)
• iPod Interface + USB port
AUDIO OPTIONS
• Digital transom remote
• Sirus satellite radio

[Ewok]

IMHO there's a difference between the TAPS system, which many here have noted is nearly synonymous with Tige, and truly optional things like a sound system, carpet, LCD screen, expensive graphics, extra cupholders, more storage lockers, etc. A boat needs a few basic things like a hull, deck, seats, tower, engine, and basic instrumentation. For Tige, I'd include TAPS as a fundamental component. Much beyond those things, though, and they're really just options that make things "fancier" or "prettier" or "glitzier" or "more comfortable" or whatever. THOSE are the things that could and should be cut, or made optional, on an entry level boat. Not the core components that make the boat actually functional, or in the case of TAPS practically define the brand itself.

Just my $0.02, though.

Exactly, the core expense of the Tige is the basic fiberglass construction techniques and the low volume of boats they produce vs Bayliner or any other "Large" manufacturer of boats period. They simply do not have the economy of scale to build the boats for less then they are right now.

The options are optional and even then you are talking economy of scale when Tige goes to vendors to set up supply chains. If they have too many custom optional packages come through the factory that will drive up the price of the options for those who want them. Then we complain that we are paying too much for accessories (such as 149 for Tige branded pop up cleats ). So then Tige decides what will be standard equipment to keep the supply vendors contracts reasonable so they don't have to charge an arm and a leg for a bimini top and hear us complain about it on the website.

And I do think TAPS2 should be standard equipment on the entire line just like 4wd is on a Subaru, but I don't see how deleting it from the options list is going to adjust the price of the boat that much, I would be surprised if the system costs Tige more than $1000-$1500

[petrey10]

im just saying that plain and simple don't call it price point when its going to cost 40k+ for a good wakeboat because its just not... plain and simple compared to the industry as a whole... if it is GREAT!!! once again im not bashing Tige at all bc I love Tige just hoping they hear what I am saying and looks like a couple others on here... but im done trying to make my point


Love the new boats they are so sweet!!


what are the seating specs on them?

Any pics of the r20 wakeboard and surf wakes?

[Timmy!]

they are two totaly different boats. thats not apples to apples.

Thats like saying "go test drive a Corvette and a Kia mini van and see why the corvette costs more"

Exactly my point. Tige is not a cheap Bayliner or a Moomba just like a Corvette is not a Kia or a Mustang, there's a reason it costs more. If you want a cheaper Tige, buy a used one. When they say price point, they are referring to other tow boats in its class (which I/O's are not part of).

[lohe]

im just saying that plain and simple don't call it price point when its going to cost 40k+ for a good wakeboat because its just not...

Who said it was going to cost 40.. 50K or even 30K.... This is what I don't understand people are complaining on a price that has not even been released... Maybe if ever one keeps it up they might just give them away for free.