RZR and RZ0

[BrownClown]

SeaRay makes a damn nice boat and in my opinion can go head to head with most wakeboats on fit and finish. Cobalt? Have you guys been in one recently? The interior in a Cobalt smokes my '07 RZ2. I mean SMOKES it. But, I wanted a wakeboat, so I got the one I wanted.

[Ewok]

As you all know, I am new to inboards, I've been looking at buying one for years and now that I can afford it, I bought one, but what is the definition of "Price Point"? Is it the average price of all boats in a certain size? Is it 10-20% above or below the average price? Is it the average price of towboats, excluding runabouts? I see many people including the manufacturers throwing this term around but I'm not sure what it is supposed to define.

X2 on SeaRay, my neighbor has a 280 Sundancer and the interior is very comparable to my Tige. Cobalts are very nice boats, the interior is nicer than my Tige. Inboard does not automatically mean nicer or more expensive than an I/O, they just have a different way of putting the prop in the water and thus make a differently shaped wake.

[91Terminator]

Any two boats, used for the same purpose, can be compared, can't they?

I agree. I mean my boat does everything the tiges do.

Wake is very comparable, maneuverability, very solid construction, the pickle fork design gives me plenty of interior space, handling is precise, interior is a bit lacking but hey i cant complain, talk about price point right - Theres nothing better then not needing a trailer, fits right in the back of my truck no problem.

You should see the swell this puppy throws up when i get that enzo sac puffed up on the side.

Only down side was the power and response but no worries i just got a nasty 25HP johnson thats going in it as we speak its at the shop. The 15 just wasn't cutting it for hole shoot.

Shoot some more pics once i get the monster tower on it and a set of pro 80's, its gonna be sick!!!! I cant wait to get her up and running so i can fill up the fat sacs and enter the global surf challenge.

[kko]

I can't believe people are comparing inboards to I/O's.

We might as well compare jumbo jets to fighter planes

THANK YOU!!

[kko]

I agree. I mean my boat does everything the tiges do.

Wake is very comparable, maneuverability, very solid construction, the pickle fork design gives me plenty of interior space, handling is precise, interior is a bit lacking but hey i cant complain, talk about price point right - Theres nothing better then not needing a trailer, fits right in the back of my truck no problem.

You should see the swell this puppy throws up when i get that enzo sac puffed up on the side.

Only down side was the power and response but no worries i just got a nasty 25HP johnson thats going in it as we speak its at the shop. The 15 just wasn't cutting it for hole shoot.

Shoot some more pics once i get the monster tower on it and a set of pro 80's, its gonna be sick!!!! I cant wait to get her up and running so i can fill up the fat sacs and enter the global surf challenge.

The TONY CRAFT RULES! THAT IS ONE SEXY GREY/BLACK Tige in the back ground!

[91Terminator]

Yes It Is! When we riding again???

[kko]

Yes It Is! When we riding again???

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR WHEN IT STOPS RAINING @4:30 EVERY DAY!

[loudelectronics]

Do you use any type of anti-fouling paint? That would help prevent the inevitable gel-goat blisters.

I was told antifouling paint was only for biogrowth and did nothing for blisters. Also backed up by a paint company so I was a bit taken back.

My 2004 paint did not ever blister when left in the water for 3 months straight. Wish I could say the same for the new paint that was on it. After 3 months the boat still looked brand new on bottom and did not need an acid clean, no growth at all. I suspect there was antifouling paint used at the factory back in this time as nothing was put on the boat at the dealer. Only took a week and a half for my new paint to blister.

[loudelectronics]

I agree. I mean my boat does everything the tiges do.

Wake is very comparable, maneuverability, very solid construction, the pickle fork design gives me plenty of interior space, handling is precise, interior is a bit lacking but hey i cant complain, talk about price point right - Theres nothing better then not needing a trailer, fits right in the back of my truck no problem.

You should see the swell this puppy throws up when i get that enzo sac puffed up on the side.

Only down side was the power and response but no worries i just got a nasty 25HP johnson thats going in it as we speak its at the shop. The 15 just wasn't cutting it for hole shoot.

Shoot some more pics once i get the monster tower on it and a set of pro 80's, its gonna be sick!!!! I cant wait to get her up and running so i can fill up the fat sacs and enter the global surf challenge.

This is funny, cause if I were to post pics of the rzr r20 that I took you would see some simularities. Actually that one looks more complete. LoL, my pics are development stage with no top deck.

[Ewok]

I was told antifouling paint was only for biogrowth and did nothing for blisters. Also backed up by a paint company so I was a bit taken back.

My 2004 paint did not ever blister when left in the water for 3 months straight. Wish I could say the same for the new paint that was on it. After 3 months the boat still looked brand new on bottom and did not need an acid clean, no growth at all. I suspect there was antifouling paint used at the factory back in this time as nothing was put on the boat at the dealer. Only took a week and a half for my new paint to blister.

I might have been given bad info from a Bayliner owners forum. They were talking about blisters and ways to fix them and I thought I remembered that bottom paint might help and that there are different types of paint. There is albative that continuously washes away and epoxy base that leaves a hard shell surface which someone thought would help prevent blisters but as I look at my google searches, no paints make that claim.

[Ewok]

I can't believe people are comparing inboards to I/O's.

We might as well compare jumbo jets to fighter planes

Really? The only difference between I/O and inboards is the wake shape and the fact that inboards are purpose built for towing while I/Os are built for all around watersports (ok, tubing). I think a better analogy would be comparing an A-10 (inboard) to an F-16 (I/O). The A-10 is built specifically for ground attack and the F-16 is a well equipped multi-role fighter. Jack of all trades, master of none. I don't hate on I/Os, a bad day on the lake is better than a good day of work, even if its on an I/O.

[jwanck11]

I agree. I mean my boat does everything the tiges do.

Wake is very comparable, maneuverability, very solid construction, the pickle fork design gives me plenty of interior space, handling is precise, interior is a bit lacking but hey i cant complain, talk about price point right - Theres nothing better then not needing a trailer, fits right in the back of my truck no problem.

You should see the swell this puppy throws up when i get that enzo sac puffed up on the side.

Only down side was the power and response but no worries i just got a nasty 25HP johnson thats going in it as we speak its at the shop. The 15 just wasn't cutting it for hole shoot.

Shoot some more pics once i get the monster tower on it and a set of pro 80's, its gonna be sick!!!! I cant wait to get her up and running so i can fill up the fat sacs and enter the global surf challenge.

A comparison is just that. 2 or more things used for the same or similar purpose are evaluated against one another as objectively as is possible.

It seems that the offerings from Tige and any other wake boat manufacturer for that matter are not heads and tails above much lesser priced boats in "quality" relating to structural engineering, fit and finish. That might be tough to stomach, but it is what it is.

We buy a purpose boat that is in limited supply; hence the price. The price point, I surmise, is based heavily on perception.

[zad0030]

Really? The only difference between I/O and inboards is the wake shape and the fact that inboards are purpose built for towing while I/Os are built for all around watersports (ok, tubing). I think a better analogy would be comparing an A-10 (inboard) to an F-16 (I/O). The A-10 is built specifically for ground attack and the F-16 is a well equipped multi-role fighter. Jack of all trades, master of none. I don't hate on I/Os, a bad day on the lake is better than a good day of work, even if its on an I/O.

Ok, well I was just trying to prove a point. My point is that the Inboard boat market is a whole 'nother boat market in it's own. People who are looking at inboard boats are serious about water sports. The inboard boat market does not have to worry about losing customers to I/O's. Unless the customer is not into water sports anymore and just wants something to scoot around the lake.

What the Inboard market does have to worry about is losing first time boat buyers, or repeat I/O buyers. Typically these people are just getting into water sports and or getting serious about them. The key for the inboard market, especially now, is to make a boat that bridges the gap between the inexpensive I/O's to the more expensive inboards.

If I am a boat buyer, and I am starting to get serious about water sports, which would I choose? I find a nice big 24' I/O with a tower, bathroom, nice stereo, plenty of bells and whistles for maybe... $40k. Now I look at an inboard and see that, ya, its more geared for water sports, but it's lacking some luxuries of the I/O for $50k and its 4' shorter! What would I choose... The I/O ofcourse.

That's Tige's goal with the R20. They want a boat that competes with the I/O's prices but offers the inboard qualitiy. Not to mention lure them into the inboard market where they wouldn't think about owning an I/O.

That's why I say you can't really compare the two. Inboards are in a league of their own.

[zad0030]

By the way...

[Ewok]

Ok, well I was just trying to prove a point. My point is that the Inboard boat market is a whole 'nother boat market in it's own. People who are looking at inboard boats are serious about water sports. The inboard boat market does not have to worry about losing customers to I/O's. Unless the customer is not into water sports anymore and just wants something to scoot around the lake.

What the Inboard market does have to worry about is losing first time boat buyers, or repeat I/O buyers. Typically these people are just getting into water sports and or getting serious about them. The key for the inboard market, especially now, is to make a boat that bridges the gap between the inexpensive I/O's to the more expensive inboards.

If I am a boat buyer, and I am starting to get serious about water sports, which would I choose? I find a nice big 24' I/O with a tower, bathroom, nice stereo, plenty of bells and whistles for maybe... $40k. Now I look at an inboard and see that, ya, its more geared for water sports, but it's lacking some luxuries of the I/O for $50k and its 4' shorter! What would I choose... The I/O ofcourse.

That's Tige's goal with the R20. They want a boat that competes with the I/O's prices but offers the inboard qualitiy. Not to mention lure them into the inboard market where they wouldn't think about owning an I/O.

That's why I say you can't really compare the two. Inboards are in a league of their own.

Cool, that makes sense. I was not trying to start an argument, I was just trying to point out like you did that if someone is SERIOUS about water boardsports, they will look to inboards. But not many people get serious into watersports on their first boat purchase and jump right into an inboard. If they are new to boating and want to try out wakebaording, they will most likely get an I/O. They are usually cheaper than inboards and with good reason. When people are ready for inboards they save money, do research and buy one when they can afford it, like me. If I couldn't afford a new boat, I would have bought the best used boat I could have bought for my money and I would have been very happy.

So the price point boat is trying to compare a similar size inboard to a similar size I/O to try to lure the I/O owner into the inboard market? That actually makes perfect sense. By that definition, I thought Tige was the price point company and has the best feature to make the transition easy from an I/O to inboard, TAPS! Yes they are more expensive then a same sized I/O
but the new models will definitely lower that gap a bit.