Tige rz4 vs. Malibu lsv

[ImaPigDog]

@chpthrl - I would say that there is a noticeable difference between a single 400 lb. sac and two separate 400 lb. sacs.
It is obviously not huge but definitely worthwhile. It definitely helps with the list, especially when you only have a few people on board.

[majestic]

The extra 250 pounds would be worth it to me. I think that is exactly what I am short of. I have been in a 2009 and put my 1000lb custom sac on top and it was way better than my 08 without the factory 250. I am still not convinced that in the 2010 they just didnt put carpet over the hardtank. When I was standing in Ragboy's locker in his 2010 the floor was super soft. Maybe someone with a 2010 can confirm! If thats the case I could cut the floor out, drop in the hardtank, throw a piece of carpet over the top and done deal!

As far as the bow ballast I am going to do some testing this weekend with my old L-shape surfsac #455 pounds on one side vs. my integrated bow sac and see the difference.

[IDBoating]

Excluding the small cavity under the floor where the factory hard tank would be on your boat if it came with the factory ballast, there is no way to get more hidden ballast weight on the surf side, with out going to lead.

Hmm... since the prevailing wisdom is that weight should be distributed 50-50 or 60-40 front-to-rear, it seems after having two Enzos in the back you'd be looking for ~2000 pounds up front before adding more aft. And that would bring your ballast total to a staggering ~4000 pounds!

Sounds like a pair of Enzos in the back is basically all that's necessary. The trick may be getting sufficient ballast up front to offset those big bags in back.

[majestic]

Hmm... since the prevailing wisdom is that weight should be distributed 50-50 or 60-40 front-to-rear, it seems after having two Enzos in the back you'd be looking for ~2000 pounds up front before adding more aft. And that would bring your ballast total to a staggering ~4000 pounds!

Sounds like a pair of Enzos in the back is basically all that's necessary. The trick may be getting sufficient ballast up front to offset those big bags in back.

For surfing You will fill the Enzo sac on the Surf side and the jury is still out on weight up front. You wont need the sacks for Wakeboarding the Taps will give you everything you will need. In one of your earlier post you talked about "filling the Enzo sacs Partially for wakeboarding" I would be careful with that when you come off the throttle you will send water rolling back and forth in the lockers and I have seen a few blown out back locker walls.

[ragboy]

My RZ2 likes weight up front, I am going to take out the 24Ve again, and sac out differently, with weight up front, see how it goes. I will let you know. Dennis is coming down, we are going to have some fun with a bunch of extra sacs.

[majestic]

My RZ2 likes weight up front, I am going to take out the 24Ve again, and sac out differently, with weight up front, see how it goes. I will let you know. Dennis is coming down, we are going to have some fun with a bunch of extra sacs.

Dennis needs to come to Seattle and help me when he's done

I am working on a business trip to LA and trying to get it to where I can Fly to Sacramento for a Friday/Saturday then return back to Seattle. I would need Dennis to help with my 360 if I dont get it this weekend!

[ragboy]

Cool, sounds like fun.

[chpthril]

@chpthrl - I would say that there is a noticeable difference between a single 400 lb. sac and two separate 400 lb. sacs.
It is obviously not huge but definitely worthwhile. It definitely helps with the list, especially when you only have a few people on board.

I may be reading your post wrong, so sorry if I am.....are you saying that filling a pair of 400# sacs is better then a single 400#, if so, then yes, I agree, but not quite what I am trying to figure out.

What we are trying to figure out is if there is an advantage to having all the bow weight on the surf side of the bow in a single sac as compared to having the same amount of weight spread across the bow like in the "U" shaped bow sac.

The question is, is the wake better with the bow listed over or having the whole bow planted in the water?

For you, could you fill both bow sacs half way (400#'s total in the bow) and observe the wake. Then dump the 200#'s from the starboard sac and fill the port full (still only 400#'s in the bow, just shifted 200#) and then see what the wake looks like as compared to before. Rear ballast, TAPS, speed and peeps would need to stay the same. Dont know if it's too late in the season for you guys now, but let us know if this is doable.

[chpthril]

The extra 250 pounds would be worth it to me. I think that is exactly what I am short of. I have been in a 2009 and put my 1000lb custom sac on top and it was way better than my 08 without the factory 250. I am still not convinced that in the 2010 they just didnt put carpet over the hardtank. When I was standing in Ragboy's locker in his 2010 the floor was super soft. Maybe someone with a 2010 can confirm! If thats the case I could cut the floor out, drop in the hardtank, throw a piece of carpet over the top and done deal!

As far as the bow ballast I am going to do some testing this weekend with my old L-shape surfsac #455 pounds on one side vs. my integrated bow sac and see the difference.

I dont think you would able to open the floor up on your model. For the 09 in-floor system, I'm positive the changed the stringer layout under the v-drive locker to accommodate the hard tanks, but under the floor of your 08 is solid.

For you, a couple lead bricks might be the way to go to get that little extra, or just fill a sac in the floor or seat if you are out with a small crew. FYI, the 400# v-drive will lay in the seat and bungie to the tower leg just perfect.


Using you 455# and bow sac should do exactly what we need, let us know.

[chpthril]

Hmm... since the prevailing wisdom is that weight should be distributed 50-50 or 60-40 front-to-rear, it seems after having two Enzos in the back you'd be looking for ~2000 pounds up front before adding more aft. And that would bring your ballast total to a staggering ~4000 pounds!

Sounds like a pair of Enzos in the back is basically all that's necessary. The trick may be getting sufficient ballast up front to offset those big bags in back.

Sorry for the confusion, the weight split I mentioned was for wake boarding. For surfing, the Tiges like as much weight in the back as possible. Then adding some up front will taylor the wake some.

[IDBoating]

Sorry for the confusion, the weight split I mentioned was for wake boarding. For surfing, the Tiges like as much weight in the back as possible. Then adding some up front will taylor the wake some.

I understand that fiddling with the bow-to-stern distribution tunes the wave (trades height for length, etc.) But thank you for clarifying, I did think that ratio was also for surfing and not just boarding.

Do you agree that a pair of Enzo's in the back and one/two sacs up front is likely to be all that's ever needed? Fully filled that would be ~3000 pounds or more, I haven't heard anyone running more than that.

[Duncan]

Eagerly awaiting results of bow side vs center weighting for an RZ2.

If there is a difference, perhaps we could get together a custom sack that would fit each side? I am sure there are several pre-2010 RZ owners that would go in.

I think the conversion to two sacks in a pre-2010 RZ would just be wiring given that each side of the u-shaped sack has its own fill and drain pumps?