Tige rz4 vs. Malibu lsv

[murphini]

A friend has a 2007 Mailbu 247. I've been in in twice. I like some items, dislike others.
Likes:
Main cabin feels bigger/longer, and the bow section feels smaller. Very comfortable big cabin.
Illusion Tower and built in bimini was good, table in the back, storage for drinks, stuff along the floor very convenient.
Powerful 383 Hammerhead v8. Loud.
Fit/Finish good. Pop up ski pylon good.

Dislikes:
Loud--FAE's either are or were difficult or challenging with the wedge
Sits low slung in the water--good in butter, bad in chop.
No Taps type plate to 'trim' for bad water, wedge seems like dragging a plow and our Tige burns way less fuel/hour
His ballast system had multiple tanks and was having problem with pumps so it was hard to us/dial in.

The son of the BU owner rides in our 24ve often (he's been our out boat 3x this year vs 1x on theirs as we have lift at local lake.) He says he really likes the Ve's wakeboard wake and LOVES our surfwake.

I haven't ridden in a RZ 2 or 4, but can only imagine they are really good.

Any of the above listed boats will be beyond very fine.

[Jason B]

My pal is selling his LSV to get an RZ4...take that for what you will.
This decision is totally subjective.LIke was mentioned earlier, you REALLY need to put real world hours on them and then make your decision. That's head and shoulders the best way to decide. Plus, it'll be the LAST time you get to just ride behind a boat you don't have to fuel up, wash, maintain, etc.... lol

[talltigeguy]

If you are looking to purchase a 24 footer and primarily surf you should look at the Centurion Enzo 240. you'll be hard pressed to find a boat that will out perform that wake. The boat below is a 2010 240.
http://www.centurioncrew.com/kid-inZ...erv-t2885.html

Utah Water sports lists their new 2010 enzo for over 100K. Did you see my thread on WW about that? http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showt...ight=enzo+100k

WOW!!! REALLY???

I never knew adding 500# in the rear locker on top of the stock was "HARD". And my 500# are tapped into the stock system.

Agreed. It is not hard to get a very nice surf wave from a Malibu LSV.

A friend has a 2007 Mailbu 247. I've been in in twice. I like some items, dislike others.
Likes:
Main cabin feels bigger/longer, and the bow section feels smaller. Very comfortable big cabin.
Illusion Tower and built in bimini was good, table in the back, storage for drinks, stuff along the floor very convenient.
Powerful 383 Hammerhead v8. Loud.
Fit/Finish good. Pop up ski pylon good.

The 247 and LSV are really different beasts. I beleive that a 247 with stock ballast and power wedge is the biggest stock wake available...but I have not seen an RZ2 with the pro ballast option. And I beleive (but I might be in the minority) that the RZ2 and RZ4 and more different than most think. I think the wake characteristics of the RZ4 wake are not the same, either for surfing or wakeboarding. Most of the best reviews seem to be coming from the RZ2.

[wallacmc]

That 247 is an absolute tank, and if you really want to party with 17 people on the boat, that sounds like the one for you. But, for surfing, I would go with an RZ2. I haven't ridden the RZ4, but from what I hear, the actual length of the boat has some of the effect of bow ballast. If you look at the boat Tige had rigged for Wake9's festival, that back corner is totally dug in, making the biggest wake possible. As a rule, Malibus have more lounge space if you like that. Obiously, the Tige RZs have more room in the bow. The women in my family love it.

One major thing noone has weighed in on yet is that the 2010 malibus come stock with catalytic converters while Tiges do not. I can't remember what year you are considering.

[turbonine]

And I beleive (but I might be in the minority) that the RZ2 and RZ4 and more different than most think. I think the wake characteristics of the RZ4 wake are not the same, either for surfing or wakeboarding. Most of the best reviews seem to be coming from the RZ2.

I am the other guy in that minority. There is absolutely a difference in wakes between the RZ2 and RZ4.

I also think that an RZ2 vs 23LSV match up better.

[91Terminator]

That wake is awesome, I get close to that with my Ve, but it isn't that clean and long. Wish I was surfing that wake. I like that Enzo by Centurion. It is a awesome boat. Someone had commented that the quality was in a lower leauge, not so sure about that, I've ridden on one and looked at them extensively, it is a very nice boat, a nice step up from some of their other models.

Anyway, as far as your question between the two boats, both of them will require you to add ballast for a good surf wake.

I did say it was my own opinion, but i am a dealer, and we get quite a bit of centurions in, and i currently have one for sale, that has over 800 hrs on it, that i use all the time. Its not a bad boat, it just is not (in my opinion) anywhere near the quality of a Tige and a Malibu. The performance of the boat is way less quality the Tige/BU, not the wake the boat. As i said they are known for there surf wake.

P.S. - they are a super pain to work on.

[dingleberry]

Ryannjena - of course, most folks on this site are partial to Tige, just as your post on the 'Bu Crew drew calls of support for Malibu. That is to be expected. I think both brands could make you happy - it will really come down to personal preference about many of the differences.

One thing that you should consider is the availability of dealer/mechanic support, and the quality of those people. Most likely, either boat will have a few issues crop up (hopefully minor ), and the handling of those issues by the dealer or mechanic will make a huge difference in your satisfaction about your purchase.

Finally, I wanted to quickly address the comments over on the 'Bu Crew about Tige's porpoising. That is due to the Convex V shape of the Tige hulls. But simply adjusting the TAPS plate setting (easy as pushing a button on the throttle handle with your thumb) will stop the porpoising. This system an integral part of the Tige design, which helps to make it versatile. Very similar to adjusting the trim on an I/O boat. If you haven't read this yet, here is some explanation about the Convex V / TAPS2 system: http://tige.com/performance/Convex_V

[91Terminator]

Ryannjena - of course, most folks on this site are partial to Tige, just as your post on the 'Bu Crew drew calls of support for Malibu. That is to be expected. I think both brands could make you happy - it will really come down to personal preference about many of the differences.

One thing that you should consider is the availability of dealer/mechanic support, and the quality of those people. Most likely, either boat will have a few issues crop up (hopefully minor ), and the handling of those issues by the dealer or mechanic will make a huge difference in your satisfaction about your purchase.

Finally, I wanted to quickly address the comments over on the 'Bu Crew about Tige's porpoising. That is due to the Convex V shape of the Tige hulls. But simply adjusting the TAPS plate setting (easy as pushing a button on the throttle handle with your thumb) will stop the porpoising. This system an integral part of the Tige design, which helps to make it versatile. Very similar to adjusting the trim on an I/O boat. If you haven't read this yet, here is some explanation about the Convex V / TAPS2 system: http://tige.com/performance/Convex_V

They should also say that if you put all the ballast full in the malibu and go over 30mph it will also porpoise, because any brand of boat that is in wakeboard mode will porpoise, since wakeboard mode in a Tige means taps up/ballast then it will porpoise over 30mph, since wakeboard mode in a malibu means ballast full/wedge down it will also porpoise.
So will a CC MC Centurion, all, which brings me to my point no body wakeboards over 30 so that porpoising argument is ineligible.

[Ryannjena]

I have heard that Tige perform nicely in rough water. Part of what concerns me with the Malibu is that it weighs about 600lbs less. I just wonder what affect that has. The main concern I have with the Tige is that it only comes stock with 900lbs. of ballast. I'm not sure that will create the surf wake I need. I recently sold a Moomba with stock ballast that had a great surf wake. We really surf a lot and just want a smooth ride when things get rough.

[91Terminator]

you can get a 2000lb stock ballast system in the tiges

[Ryannjena]

Ya, I am looking at the 2009. I think the 2000 is only available on the 2010.

[majestic]

But also a big difference in the Tige vs. Malibu if you read the other forums is to get a great wake out of a malibu you need a lot more ballast and a wedge. Most of us are runnig 1000 lb all on the surf side back corner.

[chpthril]

WOW!!! REALLY???

I never knew adding 500# in the rear locker on top of the stock was "HARD". And my 500# are tapped into the stock system.

I have heard that Tige perform nicely in rough water. Part of what concerns me with the Malibu is that it weighs about 600lbs less. I just wonder what affect that has. The main concern I have with the Tige is that it only comes stock with 900lbs. of ballast. I'm not sure that will create the surf wake I need. I recently sold a Moomba with stock ballast that had a great surf wake. We really surf a lot and just want a smooth ride when things get rough.

It has been stated by myself and a few others, that the Tige, as well as many of the other manufacturers, that you will need to add to that stock ballast to achieve a great surf wake. Case in point, Turbonine stated that he adds extra ballast to supplement his stock ballast in his Malibu. IMO, the Fly High Enzo sac is a perfect fit for the RZ4/24Ve boats. It could be plumbed into the stock ballast, but I would run it's own fill/drain pump(s) for it. That's a huge sac, so the stock pumps would take a while to fill and drain it. Same with the Malibu, as they use a similar aerator style pump.

[jwanck11]

Ryanjenna. Head over to wake9.com. Rather than words, you will see wake in action.

Also, Dingle is spot on. Take into account where you can get service that you will trust. When it is needed, you will be happy you took this into account.

Good luck with your choice!!

I have a 22i and my boat handled the Chesapeake Bay (significant body of water with constant trans-Atlantic traffic) no problem whatsoever. I am not sure though whether that comparable to the boats you are looking at.

[fog_ducker]

For just surfing, the 1600 lb surf ballast system works great as the pro system is just giving you 200 lb each side in the front. I still feel the Malibu is a tank to corner with the wedge down and kills you on fuel.