Rudder Mount Failure

[talltigeguy]

There is no way that there is 8 inches there.



My point is that since you have not exhausted all of your options yet, then you should not come on here showing something that clearly seems to be of poor workmanship. There are many potential Tige owners that might be dissuaded after seeing this post. At the time of this post, there have been 463 views to be exact.

How should Tige feel about that?

I am not sure I buy the thought that the rudder struck the prop guard. The boat would have to move lower by smashing the bunks or the prop guard would have to move up to accomplish that...so either the bunks get bent or the guard gets bent. If the prop guard bent bad enough to hit the rudder, he obviously fixed it and is falsifying everything. Interesting to note that his prop guard is bolted on...I wonder why his mfg did not weld it on.

[goose69]

I Agree^^^^^^^^
Seems awful interesting that the supplied pictures show the prop guard all bent up, and having a couple of marks right inline with the rudder if it was straight, Also the entire prop guard is bent up and the highest point is from the left (must have hit there the most) which would defiantly make the rudder go to the right. I sure dont see 8" of clearance between it in the pictures shared, and that is with the rudder pushed up so i bet if the rudder was to be fixed that trailer needs to be straightened out first. i have never seen a trailer like that with more then 3 to 5" of clearance. Also i know how easy it is to whack a prop guard, i drag them up gas stations all the time, but if you go fast enough it will defiantly bend. Speed bumps, speed humps, curbs, pot holes, there are many obstacles in our road ways that were not designed for inboard boat trailer.

Why must you be all, Pissed off from the get go? i could never understand this? If i bought a truck from ford and it broke and i went to the dealer said hey what's the deal... they fix it no charge, next 2 days it breaks again, what good is it going to do me going in there all you did this, its your fault, im not this, im not that, this is BS, this is a bad design,... that is not going to get anything fixed. If you just called them said hey now could you maybe look into this and see what you can do.... instead of PUTTING IT IN BIG A** LETTERS ON THE OWNERS FORUM, they may think a little bit and come up with a deal with you.

Just be honest and admit that you probably hit a curb or a speed bump going to fast cuz you wanted to go skiing and
you only did this cuz you just wanted to start stuff and didn't wanna pay.

Dont hate me cuz i speak my mind.

First of all the rudder is aft of prop guard (see picture)(8" dia from original position). Second of all there are no marks on the rudder (see picture). If i hit a speed bump or curb the rudder would be scuffed. Next for the past week i dealt directly with Tige to no avail. I am 100% insured and it is costing me nothing either way. So basically i have nothing to gain or lose by airing a manufactures defect. I still think Tige makes a quality boat, but mine feel throught the cracks. Forums are for the good and the bad. In the past I have posted all good, but will show the bad too.

[goose69]

There is no way that there is 8 inches there.



My point is that since you have not exhausted all of your options yet, then you should not come on here showing something that clearly seems to be of poor workmanship. There are many potential Tige owners that might be dissuaded after seeing this post. At the time of this post, there have been 463 views to be exact.

How should Tige feel about that?

I am not sure I buy the thought that the rudder struck the prop guard. The boat would have to move lower by smashing the bunks or the prop guard would have to move up to accomplish that...so either the bunks get bent or the guard gets bent. If the prop guard bent bad enough to hit the rudder, he obviously fixed it and is falsifying everything. Interesting to note that his prop guard is bolted on...I wonder why his mfg did not weld it on.

I went to Tige First to no avail. They know how active I am in the boating world. I had everone in my area wanting a Tige over a Malibu, Mastercraft and other manufactures. If they would have fixed the problem they probably would of sold a half dozen boats from my recommendations. Went I buy a new boat next year this will come into cosideration. I am in sales (14million in sales last year)and the way i have so many sales is I alway take care of the customer even if it comes out of my pocket. My biggest customer Honda use me so much, because i always have a solution to there problems. Sometimes if we can't agree how is at fault, but I always offer a solution and a root cause.

[dom w. forte]

Could you do me a favor and take a picture of the bow hook where it ataches to the wintch, I want to see if the boat is all the way on the trailer, I looked at every boat on my lot and my rudders are all the way over my guards and only 2inches of clearence, you can clearly see that the guard is bent and has a straight rust line the width of a rudder, how do you explain that?

[zad0030]

Could you do me a favor and take a picture of the bow hook where it ataches to the wintch, I want to see if the boat is all the way on the trailer, I looked at every boat on my lot and my rudders are all the way over my guards and only 2inches of clearence, you can clearly see that the guard is bent and has a straight rust line the width of a rudder, how do you explain that?

I found this picture in his profile yesterday.

[dom w. forte]

First of all the rudder is aft of prop guard (see picture)(8" dia from original position). Second of all there are no marks on the rudder (see picture). If i hit a speed bump or curb the rudder would be scuffed. Next for the past week i dealt directly with Tige to no avail. I am 100% insured and it is costing me nothing either way. So basically i have nothing to gain or lose by airing a manufactures defect. I still think Tige makes a quality boat, but mine feel throught the cracks. Forums are for the good and the bad. In the past I have posted all good, but will show the bad too.

Also in that new photo you can see that the boat is back off of the bunk by about 4 to 5 iches which indicates the boat normally sits farther forward putting the rudder over guard, I believe somewhere in the boats life that guard hit something and smacked the rudder weaking the hull and eventualy it gave way due to prop preassure, not due to improper build quality.

[dom w. forte]

I found this picture in his profile yesterday.

That picture makes me even more convinced you could smack the rudder , never seen that much of a rake to the tail, putting the rudder in a dangerous position

[kerlee]

just looking at the pics. agree that boat looks like it sits back on the trailer based on where bunk ends? Is the bow stop non-movable in terms of sliding back and forth? If it is movable, then original owner/dealer may have slid the bow stop back to lighten up trailer tongue weight if it was making the tow vehicle sag too much. This was done on a previous boat of mine because the tongue weight was too heavy, the option was to slide the axles forward or slide the bow stop back thereby putting the boat further back on trailer. It can also be done to allow a lighter duty tow vehicle to pull the boat, albeit unsafe. If this was done when the first owner had it and he backed up the rudder against something without knowing it, then that may have caused enough damage to the rudder mount that over the years that led to subsequent failure. The rust spots show that this had been going on for sometime and dripping onto the prop guard. Probably still would not fall under warranty as the "tap against the rudder" was owner/drive caused. Just my thoughts if the bow stop is able to be slid back and forth. I looked at my own trailer and everything is welded as far as the bow stop, the trailer is fit to the boat, but from the pics above I cannot tell if the bow stop is welded or not?

[dom w. forte]

just looking at the pics. agree that boat looks like it sits back on the trailer based on where bunk ends? Is the bow stop non-movable in terms of sliding back and forth? If it is movable, then original owner/dealer may have slid the bow stop back to lighten up trailer tongue weight if it was making the tow vehicle sag too much. This was done on a previous boat of mine because the tongue weight was too heavy, the option was to slide the axles forward or slide the bow stop back thereby putting the boat further back on trailer. It can also be done to allow a lighter duty tow vehicle to pull the boat, albeit unsafe. If this was done when the first owner had it and he backed up the rudder against something without knowing it, then that may have caused enough damage to the rudder mount that over the years that led to subsequent failure. The rust spots show that this had been going on for sometime and dripping onto the prop guard. Probably still would not fall under warranty as the "tap against the rudder" was owner/drive caused. Just my thoughts if the bow stop is able to be slid back and forth. I looked at my own trailer and everything is welded as far as the bow stop, the trailer is fit to the boat, but from the pics above I cannot tell if the bow stop is welded or not?

I agree I dont think this owner hit anything , I think prior owner hit something which as you said weakened the rudder port until years down the road it caved in.

[Fuh Sho]

That made a huge hole, how close were you to the ramp? That would be a lot of water comming in, do you have a high GPM pump?

[goose69]

Correct the boat does sit back on the trailer and has since i purchased it in november/09. I has waxed the bottom twice since then and no cracks or signs of damage. The rudder doesn't have a scratch on and appears to be the original rudder (per date stamped on it. The prof is going to be when the damage area is cut out.

[goose69]

That made a huge hole, how close were you to the ramp? That would be a lot of water comming in, do you have a high GPM pump?

Lucky i was less than a 1/4 mile from ramp, because the pump could keep up. The faster i went the faster the leak. Water took 30 min to drain once on trailer. Also luckly i have a big tow vechile or i might not been able to pull it out.

[goose69]

just looking at the pics. agree that boat looks like it sits back on the trailer based on where bunk ends? Is the bow stop non-movable in terms of sliding back and forth? If it is movable, then original owner/dealer may have slid the bow stop back to lighten up trailer tongue weight if it was making the tow vehicle sag too much. This was done on a previous boat of mine because the tongue weight was too heavy, the option was to slide the axles forward or slide the bow stop back thereby putting the boat further back on trailer. It can also be done to allow a lighter duty tow vehicle to pull the boat, albeit unsafe. If this was done when the first owner had it and he backed up the rudder against something without knowing it, then that may have caused enough damage to the rudder mount that over the years that led to subsequent failure. The rust spots show that this had been going on for sometime and dripping onto the prop guard. Probably still would not fall under warranty as the "tap against the rudder" was owner/drive caused. Just my thoughts if the bow stop is able to be slid back and forth. I looked at my own trailer and everything is welded as far as the bow stop, the trailer is fit to the boat, but from the pics above I cannot tell if the bow stop is welded or not?

If the previous owner is lying and hit something, it would of had to be a left side rudder impact. If he hit a curb or speed bump it would of broke through the front of the plate if he backed in to something. If hit from the bottom (speed bump) the plate would of broke through the back. So my question if how can you hit something make no marks on the rudder and have it break through right side?

[thtrog]

If the previous owner is lying and hit something, it would of had to be a left side rudder impact. If he hit a curb or speed bump it would of broke through the front of the plate if he backed in to something. If hit from the bottom (speed bump) the plate would of broke through the back. So my question if how can you hit something make no marks on the rudder and have it break through right side?

I hope you get things worked out so you can get your son back on the water soon. You or Tige have no way to way to prove the past history of your boat....the stamped date means nothing other than when the parts were made. I still think you have an issue with its positon on the trailer and would be concerned even after the current repairs.

[goose69]

I hope you get things worked out so you can get your son back on the water soon. You or Tige have no way to way to prove the past history of your boat....the stamped date means nothing other than when the parts were made. I still think you have an issue with its positon on the trailer and would be concerned even after the current repairs.

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